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People are only looking at Stefan GP as they are the only other option, its the choice of 1. I say revoke the USF1 entry, deny Stefan GP an entry and have an open selection for 2011, when hopefully a real team can enter, like ProDrive, DAMS, RML, Lola or NTech. |
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Lola doesnt have a team and Prodrive wasnt able to create a car and show up the last time they got an F1 grid spot. What makes you think these "teams" would do any better than Stefan, who happens to own a modern Toyota chassis?
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Stefan have a modern Toyota chassis, but do they have ability to make new cars for 2011, 2012, 2013? Lola could easily get a perfectly capable team such as RML or WSR to run their cars, or form a high quality team. Prodrive only didn't race last time they were given an entry as the FIA moved the goalposts to ban customer cars, they do have the facilities to built their own car if they are given enough time to do so. Last edited by duke_toaster; 1 Mar 2010 at 17:01. |
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What I'd like to see is for them to reopen the 2011 entries, but tell Bernie to go off and try to find someone to work with Toyota that isn't Zoran Stefanovic and make that the best candidate. Preferably someone/an organisation with lots of money and that would add something to the sport
Or, what I'd like to see is Hurley get rid of the incompetant fools he's got running US F1 at the moment and bring in some respected names - someone like Bobby Rahal. Or even team up with an existing American team like Penske, Ganassi or Andretti with Hurley and other American investors funding it. If he does that, then US F1 should be given another chance. But if PW and in particular KA are still around, they can get lost Perhaps we could even bring them together - an American team run by respected American motorsport figures with investment from Hurley et all and a big American sponsor, preferably with a different, more imaginative team name, with Toyota designing the car. And Graham or Marco or Rossi driving alongside an F1 veteran. No nationalism Stefanovic don't own anything by Toyota yet, per se. They have agreements and stuff and the IP will officially be theirs on condition of an entry but I'm sure things can and will change. I don't see Stefanovic being around this time next year. It's now or never for them, I think - that's why he's so desperate to get in now Last edited by jab; 1 Mar 2010 at 17:02. |
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As I said earlier those who haven't made it should be excluded. There should then be a new application process for the free spaces on the grid for 2011 and there should be no barrier to USF1, Campos, Stefan or whoever being a part of that process, although their performance so far could be a factor in the process. It's about time the FIA started behaving like a governing body with some integrity instead of all the silly and childish bickering and manipulation we had in the MM era and parachuting Stefan in at the last minute would be just the same old same old as far as I can see. |
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This is getting weirder and weirder as Speed TV are reporting that Rossiter was signed to them as well as Lopez both bringing in 8 million USD.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...well-as-lopez/ I am starting to see where the incompetence is coming into play here. Is it possible that the FIA could essentially revoke the entry from the current management and approach somebody like Penske, Panoz or even the Andrettis to build some kind of new management structure under the USF1 name for 2011? Bobby Rahal wasn't too succesful the last time he was involved in F1 with Jaguar. |
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Bobby Rahal wasn't around long enough to prove his worth, especially when Ford/Jaguar brought in Lauda to stir the pot. Too many chiefs was the biggest problem. I think if given time, it would have worked out. But then again it was all politics all the time at Ford in the early 2000's. That last Jag was great looking though.
Regarding USF1, the entry should be revoked and let Stefan in. They have a car ready to go and ought to be able to make something of it this year. With a full year under their belt, an improving global economy, they should be able to build for next season as well. Its too bad Ken is such a screw up, but life goes on, and I don't think they would have made an impression on the US public anyway. I'm still a Honda/Brawn/MB and Jordan/Midland/Spyker/Force India fan and just because USF1 have a shop down the road, my loyalties aren't going to change. Especially when their approach to the sport wasn't "thrifty" but more "cheap". |
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Panoz is donezo. The smart guys are all over the place now, including USF1.
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Adam Cooper is reporting that US F1 have have asked for a one year delay.
Personally I don't think they should be allowed to have it, but I am far more concerned about the identity of the drivers for Campos Meta (or whatever it may be called) should they make it to Bahrain. |
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Don't think it'll change much even if they do get a one year delay!
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I would support the admission of Stefan this year as they are more prepared than USF1 appear to be.I would also support the idea of the lowest finishing team in the championship having to demonstrate reasons why they should be permitted to continue for the following season.The concept of relegation from football leagues is well established and the process would allow the FIA to select the best qualified team to occupy the thirteenth slot.If teams wishing to enter had to lodge a business plan by the beginning of July,a decision could be announced early enough to allow another Lotus style rapid development to get on the grid with failure leading to forfeit of the entry.I am surprised that there appears to be no penalty applied to the team with the greatest lead time of all the new entrants failing to fulfill their obligations.The unofficial penalty will obviously be the destruction of the credibility of the principals.
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Seems to me the FIA should ask USF1 to document where their funding for 2011 is coming from. If it's reasonable, give them the extension. If they don't have anything in place, open up the slot for bidding and see if anyone can do better. The team seemed to imply they had a funding source if they got a quick answer on missing a few races. If that's true, the FIA should be able to determine it.
The Stefan thing still looks like smoke and mirrors to me, and they seem much more interested in showing off packing slips for shipments to Bahrain than actual evidence that they could get two cars there. The business plan would also seem to require another team to go out of business in a year to sell Stefan a 2011 car. To revoke USF1's entry is to assume there's a better candidate out there, and I'm still not convinced that's the case. Lola and Prodrive each had a chance with nothing to show for it in the end. At least USF1 has Chad Hurley involved, and he seems like the kind of person F1 would benefit from bringing into the fold. I am sort of amused at the people who seem to think any delay in a team making the grid is an unacceptable outrage. The corporate rigidity of the F1 field is a quite recent development, and at least for me it isn't a necessarily positive one. F1 will not crumble if Campos shows up a race late. |
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As an aside, how did Lola and Prodrive each have a chance and do nothing with said chance? I guess I'll bite and echo the same statements made by others earlier in the thread: If you're referring to Lola Mastercard, its obvious that the failure of that project had no connection whatsoever to Lola's ability as a manufacturer and team. I'm sure you'll say the same thing happened with USF1, but the differences between the two situations is drastically different - first being that Lola got on the grid to begin with. And Prodrive flat out did not have a chance. The auspices under which they attempted to enter were completely turned on their head - it was an utter impossibility to enter for the very same reason that none of the other newcomers attempted to fill that spot until 2010. But even with your point about the two in mind, the FIA could certainly take all of these factors into consideration during the selection process. That being said, I'm sure we all know by now that between the various 'failures' of the teams in question, USF1 is highly unlikely to be deemed the best entry for F1 in 2011... |
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I remember when I was just getting into F1, BRM entered FIVE cars in the 1972 Argentine GP; not one finished in the points. Teams would quite often enter more than two cars, in those days.
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The common element here is that neither teams had the resources behind them to race on if a particular sponsor pulled out.
Surely racing is like any business, sometimes you have to back your business through slow sales, you can't shut the door just because one customer didn't come through. |
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They are entirely different scenarios. In Lola's case the car had the sponsor but wasn't ready to race and in USF1's case there appears to be neither.
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