ALMS Round 5: Mid-Ohio

[rabbit_racer]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Forza 4 ALMS car additions??

Shoot.. we've had that for GTR2 for the last 3yrs!!! Hell I race in an online ALMS league. Most likely Forza b/c of the MSFT sponsorship given what I've heard.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by rabbit_racer

Shoot.. we've had that for GTR2 for the last 3yrs!!! Hell I race in an online ALMS league. Most likely Forza b/c of the MSFT sponsorship given what I've heard.

I have neither, so Im stuck with Yawn Turismo Five and a massive 3 premium LMP cars racing against cars from the 70s and a Pikes Peak Car.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

50kg weight advantage and large restrictor breaks???? On Paper Dyson should be dominating.

[Audi Racer]

BMW still take the pole lol.

also to the post that said "finally Melo does Qualy" i think Vilander is just as fast as melo. That wasnt the problem i dont think

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

50kg weight advantage and large restrictor breaks???? On Paper Dyson should be dominating.

Its a lola unfortunately.not the best of chassis

[rabbit_racer]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

I have neither, so Im stuck with Yawn Turismo Five and a massive 3 premium LMP cars racing against cars from the 70s and a Pikes Peak Car.

GTR2 is CHEAP now and you can probably get it fairly easily. Online racing is a blast especially when you have 3 classes buzzing around. We even race at MidO that is VERY accurate. If you need your fix it's a cheap way to get it and we've tried to make the cars pretty equal and realistic.

Anyways.. sorry for the OT. If you want any info just drop me a PM.

I'm pulling for the Lizards this weekend. They'll need some luck.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by rabbit_racer

GTR2 is CHEAP now and you can probably get it fairly easily. Online racing is a blast especially when you have 3 classes buzzing around. We even race at MidO that is VERY accurate. If you need your fix it's a cheap way to get it and we've tried to make the cars pretty equal and realistic.

Anyways.. sorry for the OT. If you want any info just drop me a PM.

I'm pulling for the Lizards this weekend. They'll need some luck.

Might get back to you on that, but I think I can get it. Will check prices ect, the thing that has always turned me away from IRacing is that it comes across as an expensive country club for sim racers.

Thank you!

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Its a lola unfortunately.not the best of chassis

They're all Lolas...

As for GTR2 yeah it's a fabulous game, modded C6.R vs DBR9 on WSGT is pure awesomeness...

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Nevermind, explained better in next post.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by Chiana

They're all Lolas...

Yeah, the difference isn't really with the chassis so as much as it is with the engines. It looks like Dyson gets too many breaks on the slower tracks and it looks like they need more of a break on the bigger tracks. It's hard to say if IMSA's moves are justified though. I'm not sure.

EDIT: Having said that, there were some issues about the Dyson cars not being able to run at full weight or something. I am forgetting the details now and I don't know if that is still relevant with the work Dyson has been doing to their chassis since the Le Mans break.

Autocon qualified ahead of all the LMPCs. That's progress, but they are still way off the pace of the coupes. It is interesting that the starting grid is in perfect order on the basis of class.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by AGD

Yeah, the difference isn't really with the chassis so as much as it is with the engines. It looks like Dyson gets too many breaks on the slower tracks and it looks like they need more of a break on the bigger tracks. It's hard to say if IMSA's moves are justified though. I'm not sure.

Autocon qualified ahead of all the LMPCs. That's progress, but they are still way off the pace of the coupes. It is interesting that the starting grid is in perfect order on the basis of class.

Yes, but I find it funny when people (including Lola themselves) criticise the SRO ect for BoP yet in reality IMSA and to a lesser extent the ACO are doing it just as bad if not worse, but they seem to have no problem with it at all.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Yes, but I find it funny when people (including Lola themselves) criticise the SRO ect for BoP yet in reality IMSA and to a lesser extent the ACO are doing it just as bad if not worse, but they seem to have no problem with it at all.

The Dysons, and Cytosport to a lesser degree, have been fed restrictor breaks like it is an all you can eat buffet. I believe Dyson has received a break after every race this year except the one they won at Lime Rock.

Still, I'm not quite sure why IMSA is doing this. Ok, aside from the obvious reason of smoothing the competition, I do wonder if maybe the ACO regulations are bad in regard to small turbo engines. AFAIK, the AERs are the only non-diesel turbo LMP1 engines that have run this year. Certainly they are the only isobutanol burners and the MZR-R is the only small LMP1 engine.

Maybe the ACO got things wrong and IMSA is trying to correct a technical wrong. Either that or they are just up to SROish tactics. Let's face it, they've done that before. And, as you say, people do tend to look the other way. It is kind of why I respect the LMS a little more than the ALMS, but on the other hand, it's hard to say what exactly is going on in this particular case.

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I sure loved that FIA GT comment on last year's Lola Forum, entertaining stuff

In fact IMSA is handling the GT2 BoP far better than LMP side of things at the moment, IMO

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by AGD

The Dysons, and Cytosport to a lesser degree, have been fed restrictor breaks like it is an all you can eat buffet. I believe Dyson has received a break after every race this year except the one they won at Lime Rock.

Still, I'm not quite sure why IMSA is doing this. Ok, aside from the obvious reason of smoothing the competition, I do wonder if maybe the ACO regulations are bad in regard to small turbo engines. AFAIK, the AERs are the only non-diesel turbo LMP1 engines that have run this year. Certainly they are the only isobutanol burners and the MZR-R is the only small LMP1 engine.

Maybe the ACO got things wrong and IMSA is trying to correct a technical wrong. Either that or they are just up to SROish tactics. Let's face it, they've done that before. And, as you say, people do tend to look the other way. It is kind of why I respect the LMS a little more than the ALMS, but on the other hand, it's hard to say what exactly is going on in this particular case.

I agree, restrictor breaks? I dont have that much of a problem. A large weight advantage? I do have a problem with this, but then again nothing to make me angry. Both combined? Just stupid and unprofessional.

Bet you if Dyson put Steven Kane with Guy and hired a real pit crew, Dyson and Cytosport would be even everywhere, without the weight advantage.

[AGD]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Bet you if Dyson put Steven Kane with Guy and hired a real pit crew, Dyson and Cytosport would be even everywhere, without the weight advantage.

There is something to be said about that. Chris Dyson has upped his game from years past I think, but he is still a ways off from Kane and Guy's pace.

I also wonder how much Dyson is tuning down their engines for the sake of reliability. I wonder if that is showing up on the data logger, but I guess it would if the numbers are quite different for qualifying than for the race. Perhaps the performance adjustments are made on the basis of the Aston engine being pushed fairly hard versus a very conservative setup for Dyson? Obviously, it's hard to say.

[fieldodreams79]

Good stuff for Dyson, regardless of what they have been "given". Good to see them sitting on the pole. Let's see how they manage on the tight course for 2:45.

Really surprised to see the 56 up front...

At least both Jags are running consistent times, right behind a Ford.

Has Jon Field hit anything yet?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by AGD

EDIT: Having said that, there were some issues about the Dyson cars not being able to run at full weight or something. I am forgetting the details now and I don't know if that is still relevant with the work Dyson has been doing to their chassis since the Le Mans break.

My understanding was the same as yours. The old Dyson chassis couldn't handle the extra weight to make it 900kg because of suspension issues. But now they have the P1 suspension package (I think) so they should be able to run at 900kg.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by joeb

My understanding was the same as yours. The old Dyson chassis couldn't handle the extra weight to make it 900kg because of suspension issues. But now they have the P1 suspension package (I think) so they should be able to run at 900kg.

Yes, but dont expect that to actually happen. In fact, you should probably expect more restrictor breaks for Dyson if they lose to Cytosport again.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Forza 4 ALMS car additions??

Im thinking this is the case too, perhaps the whole field and tracks.

A stand alone game would be awesome but I just cant see it happening.

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Olly's thoughts after Q

BMW's been sandbagging, orly...

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Olly's thoughts after Q

BMW's been sandbagging, orly...

well that was kind of obvius, like i said it will only be fair when they have 28.6 mm restrictors like everyone else in the class. Also P. Long said as much before the start of quali.

BTW are there any weather updates for the race?

[Deleted]

Here are some of the current restrictor percentages posted on other forum.

Jaguar = 4,7% larger than baseline restrictor (29,5->30,9)
Ford = 4,3% larger than baseline restrictor (28,1->29,3)
Corvette = 3,2% larger than baseline restrictor (27,9->28,8)
BMW = 2,8% larger than baseline restrictor (28,6->29,4)
Porsche = 1% larger than baseline restrictor (28.6->28,9) + 10kg weight break
Ferrari = 0% larger than baseline restrictor (28,6)

Former restrictor for BMW was 4,2% bigger than the base.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Here are some of the current restrictor percentages posted on other forum.

Jaguar = 4,7% larger than baseline restrictor (29,5->30,9)
Ford = 4,3% larger than baseline restrictor (28,1->29,3)
Corvette = 3,2% larger than baseline restrictor (27,9->28,8)
BMW = 2,8% larger than baseline restrictor (28,6->29,4)
Porsche = 1% larger than baseline restrictor (28.6->28,9) + 10kg weight break
Ferrari = 0% larger than baseline restrictor (28,6)

Former restrictor for BMW was 4,2% bigger than the base.

the corvettes dont have a restrictor break, but rather a folotrough from last and previus years rules witch state that engines with 2 vavles get a break, I think they hame 0.1mm less then last year.

as for JAG and Ford, they are simply rediculus, and should not be even considered among works cars like Ferrari Porsche BMW and Vette.

so if we look ate hte works teams, and with the knowlige that vettes dont have a hp addvantige, ithe picture becomes clearrer

Ferrari 0%
Porsche 1%
Corvette 0%
BMW formaly 4.2% now 2.8 % still the leader of the pack.

and I find i down right insulting how BMW drivers suposidly dont understend why they got their restrictor break pulled, statment like, we werent even have the fastest car, ours wasnt the highest top speed, and then they come here and take qualy 1-2, with 0.4mm less, come on if it happend to any other team they would have been half a second slower, but now BMW misteriusly stayed just above the rest, just like they did from the beging of the season

[Deleted]

Agreed on all accounts

As for the weather well the morning warm-up times suggests that the track has been rather dry, but of course it could all change come race window - some sources still saying 60-70% chance of rain. P2 practice for Indys at the track atm

[joeb]

I've got a simple question, the differences in base restrictors between engines has to do with engine capacity correct? And does direct injection change that at all?