2012 Japanese Super GT - Page 44

Japanese Samurai · 15 Oct 2012, 12:33 (Ref:3152165)

JRP announces that the next engine of FN (Super Formula) is 2 liter inline 4 cylinder DI turbo engine.
This also must be next gen GT500 engine.

MagVanisher · 15 Oct 2012, 14:28 (Ref:3152252)

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Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

JRP announces that the next engine of FN (Super Formula) is 2 liter inline 4 cylinder DI turbo engine.
This also must be next gen GT500 engine.

Oh C'mon, not even Formula Nippon too!? Seriously, if they want to be like IndyCar, they should adapt the regs instead of DTM.

TF110 · 16 Oct 2012, 00:54 (Ref:3152611)

2 liter turbos will be smaller and lighter, but probably equally as powerful and rev very high, so I don't think it'll be a big issue.

ptclaus98 · 16 Oct 2012, 01:54 (Ref:3152633)

And I'm pretty sure they'll be eligible for Indy.

Japanese Samurai · 16 Oct 2012, 08:44 (Ref:3152722)

GTA and ITR agree on unification of 2014 technical regulations.
*All of full length, height, width, wheel base, tire size, etc. are unified.
*Although the size of monocoque is also the same, it is made in Japan.
*Front spoiler, floor board, rear diffuser, wing, and main parts are unified.
*Engine is 2 liter inline 4 cylinder DI turbo.
*Only a fill opening and an exhaust outlet are changed.
http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=44245

MagVanisher · 16 Oct 2012, 10:40 (Ref:3152771)

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Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

GTA and ITR agree on unification of 2014 technical regulations.
*All of full length, height, width, wheel base, tire size, etc. are unified.
*Although the size of monocoque is also the same, it is made in Japan.
*Front spoiler, floor board, rear diffuser, wing, and main parts are unified.
*Engine is 2 liter inline 4 cylinder DI turbo.
*Only a fill opening and an exhaust outlet are changed.
http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=44245

I'm feeling that it's turning into NASCAR with those new rules...

What's next, Bill France buying out both series along with Trans-Am and have an oval race too?

I Rosputnik · 16 Oct 2012, 11:00 (Ref:3152780)

When is a sports car series a touring car series and when is a touring car series not a sports car series?

While I may of not been around when it was around but this feels like it's becoming a modern version of group 5. (Loosely)

helgi · 16 Oct 2012, 15:58 (Ref:3152933)

And again, a modern version is miles away from a platinum original.

I Rosputnik · 16 Oct 2012, 17:53 (Ref:3152988)

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Originally Posted by helgi

And again, a modern version is miles away from a platinum original.

I wish I was around when Group 5 was in effect. The cars look crazy and yet have that production feel to them. (Even if it was only the roof that was stock.)

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Hmm, seems like there could be a small debate over the definition of these two championships now.

Sports touring car racing?
Touring sports car racing?
Race cars?
Cars?

helgi · 16 Oct 2012, 18:29 (Ref:3153008)

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Originally Posted by I Rosputnik

Sports touring car racing?
Touring sports car racing?
Race cars?
Cars?

Some machinery.

TF110 · 16 Oct 2012, 20:00 (Ref:3153034)

SGT right now has the same size cars in terms of dimensions. The main difference for the new series is sharing the wings, wheelbase, diffuser and chassis. You'll still see unique bodywork (even if not developed upon). They didn't say the same tire make either, so there's some openness there. Hopefully they'll allow some aero updates during the season.

BSchneiderFan · 16 Oct 2012, 21:40 (Ref:3153086)

So the DTM is switching to 2-litre turbos???

TF110 · 16 Oct 2012, 22:43 (Ref:3153103)

That's what the japanese website says. 2.0 liter turbo 4's for both DTM and SGT.

Matt · 16 Oct 2012, 22:49 (Ref:3153106)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

I'm feeling that it's turning into NASCAR with those new rules...

What's next, Bill France buying out both series along with Trans-Am and have an oval race too?

SuperGT has already run an oval race.

MitchZ06 · 17 Oct 2012, 00:25 (Ref:3153129)

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Originally Posted by I Rosputnik

While I may of not been around when it was around but this feels like it's becoming a modern version of group 5. (Loosely)

SuperGT already is Group 5 with the GT500 and proper GT300 cars, this new formula is just turbo 4 NASCARs....

Asa · 17 Oct 2012, 02:25 (Ref:3153156)

I really don't have much of a problem with this unification of tech rules. It keeps costs down and give both series more potential participants and better still, exchange races probably held somewhere near where I live. The tech rules are the same within their own series as of today, in 2014 it will be just shared with another series.

I am sure the cars will look spectacular because, well, what dumb manufacturer would build an ugly car to race in front of their target audience and loyal fans?

The sporting regulations will remain the same as they are, AFAIK, so Super GT can still do their 1000km race with driver changes and DTM can stick to their one driver per car thing. So no difference there.

TF110 · 17 Oct 2012, 02:49 (Ref:3153167)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

SuperGT already is Group 5 with the GT500 and proper GT300 cars, this new formula is just turbo 4 NASCARs....

Nascar is 3000lb. 'stock cars' racing around ovals. A far cry from carbon fiber chassis cars with downforce rivaling LMPs. It's not that bad. The only spec parts are the chassis, the front/rear wings/diffuser and the dimensions.

Matt · 17 Oct 2012, 02:59 (Ref:3153168)

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Originally Posted by Asa

I am sure the cars will look spectacular because, well, what dumb manufacturer would build an ugly car to race in front of their target audience and loyal fans?

Any DTM car from like 2004-2011 with the hideous rear fender winglets can successfully be classed as UGLY.

MitchZ06 · 17 Oct 2012, 03:38 (Ref:3153178)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Nascar is 3000lb. 'stock cars' racing around ovals. A far cry from carbon fiber chassis cars with downforce rivaling LMPs. It's not that bad. The only spec parts are the chassis, the front/rear wings/diffuser and the dimensions.

I meant the 'cookie cutter' and spec aspect of NASCAR which is what they're becoming...

TF110 · 17 Oct 2012, 04:06 (Ref:3153182)

It's not all spec. That's what Nascar is besides the different engine makes, and even they're all built to a spec.

With this, the Japanese makes can build their own chassis, they can run their own car and engine, and use different tire makes. The only spec will be the design of the chassis, the wings, the tire size/width, the dimensions of the cars and the floor. Maybe they'll open up the regs somewhat if they want to keep Honda with it's MR NSX happy.

lms · 17 Oct 2012, 07:57 (Ref:3153223)

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Originally Posted by Asa

I am sure the cars will look spectacular because, well, what dumb manufacturer would build an ugly car to race in front of their target audience and loyal fans?

panoz

Mal · 17 Oct 2012, 09:52 (Ref:3153285)

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Originally Posted by lms

panoz

Hence the longevity of said manufacturer......

gwyllion · 17 Oct 2012, 12:11 (Ref:3153328)

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...e-regulations/ has some info on the shared Super GT/DTM regulations.

helgi · 17 Oct 2012, 17:08 (Ref:3153431)

I can't see why are you so happy with that merge. It's just a pop-music instead of classics. Why on earth some European fan will be interested in Super GT now, when all the cars are absolutely standard? I really can't understand all that excitement around the news that GT500 are going to become just stupid mobile billboards. A really deep frustration, maybe not as deep as it was when I had read all the facts about new DTM cars right from Racecar-Engineering.

aneesh99 · 17 Oct 2012, 19:46 (Ref:3153522)

Still unsure about it, the more spec you make a GT (well, prototype GT) series, the more you end up ruining the racing. Remember the old days of DTM and ITC (mid 80s through mid 90s?) It was amazing back then, kind of like SGT is now. I guess it is beneficial for cost cutting and marketing bragging rights in the GT car sector.

Perhaps some else has better background on this but it seems like the Japanese are just complying with all of the rules and regs the Germans are coming up with?

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