Spa Classic Touring cars

[AntA35]

Originally Posted by AntA35

It would seem most sensible to me to let cars run what they ran in period, i.e. slicks and wets on their homologated rim sizes. For those of us who can't find slicks to fit (as yet, until we get some made) then they can use a suitable treaded tyre of period construction whether they be Toyo, Yoko, Avon, Dunlop etc. Whatever the treaded tyre used, it will always be slower than a slick but at least one has a choice to use something suitable that fits your homologated rim size and is close to original spec size... or you stump up for some slicks/wets to be made.

To specify yet another tyre type that everyone must use (which isn't as per what was run in period) will switch people off and that's the last thing Group 1 and Group 2 car owners need!

Stick to the period details, everyone knows where they stand! Simples!

Sorry, just let me just correct/add to that and as Alex alluded to... late 60's/early 70's ran on treaded tyres, so let it be that they run on their period spec too. The organiser may give them a choice of course to move on to slicks as per later period, but at least the choice is offered. To make the later period cars (i.e. with no choice) go back a step would be folly and ensure some don't enter.

[Duddha]

Hi,

First, I hope you had a great Christmas !

All your comments are very welcomed, it is easier to build a regulations,
Using what the racers say. I am listening carrefully to it and I'll get back
To you ASAP.

I understand your point of view and will let you know our position when I
Get back in the office.

Have a Happy New Year and talk to you soon ! Louis

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Duddha

Hi,

First, I hope you had a great Christmas !

All your comments are very welcomed, it is easier to build a regulations,
Using what the racers say. I am listening carrefully to it and I'll get back
To you ASAP.

I understand your point of view and will let you know our position when I
Get back in the office.

Have a Happy New Year and talk to you soon ! Louis

An organizer that listens! We should be grateful. I hope there can be some compromise because with three series all running these cars it would be better if they were all at least on the same page.

Happy New Year Louis.

[Dinkel]

Great going Louis! Maybe post on FB: lot of the 10/10s guys are on FB as well.

Best, Albert

[Duddha]

Having discussed the tyre matter at the office.

We will go your direction and we will allow the slick tyres for cars equipped in period. The definitive regulations will be published next week.

When this will be out, please read it carefully so you can give us your feedback as with the tyres.

Best, Louis.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Duddha

Having discussed the tyre matter at the office.

We will go your direction and we will allow the slick tyres for cars equipped in period. The definitive regulations will be published next week.

When this will be out, please read it carefully so you can give us your feedback as with the tyres.

Best, Louis.

That is excellent to hear, Louis! Please post again when the regs are out. Meanwhile will put Spa on my calendar in anticipation.

[john ruston]

We will be entering Alfa in Saloon Race and two 356's in sixties GT race

[Alex E]

And add at least two CSLs to that. It should be a great event.

[terence]

And [work not interrupted,should be at Spa most of the week before hand] a Grp2 Capri 3.1. great news Louis,well done.

[zefarelly]

I'm definitely going to do the saloon race. Look forward to a dice with the Alfa, I had some good races with it about 5 years ago.

[Hunter1300]

I think the event sounds amazing and im VERY please the organisers are willing to listen to the racers..... I wont be attending with a cars this year as the little NSU will be going up for sale, how ever hard i try I dont think 1300cc are enough for 70's touring car racing in the UK. 110 ponied NSU against 260 ponied BDG escort or a 440 ponied GAA capri even inventive maths cant make those figures compare

BUT i will be attending as a spectator as once my next car restoration is finished it will be much more interesting......

Actually anyone looking for a spare pair of hand for the event? PM me if so,

[john ruston]

Joe, The Alfa is slower now as the driver is twice the size of the previous piliots!

Should be a handicap!

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by john ruston

Joe, The Alfa is slower now as the driver is twice the size of the previous piliots!

Should be a handicap!

Hmmmm Alfa you say..... what alfa?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Hunter1300

how ever hard i try I dont think 1300cc are enough for 70's touring car racing in the UK. 110 ponied NSU against 260 ponied BDG escort or a 440 ponied GAA capri even inventive maths cant make those figures compare

That's a shame as what the newly created series need are more cars out of any size. The 1300s never won in period so you can't expect them to win now, but they did fight for class honours. And everyone loves an underdog!

BTW you'll do well to get 260bhp out of an 1840cc BD.....

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

That's a shame as what the newly created series need are more cars out of any size. The 1300s never won in period so you can't expect them to win now, but they did fight for class honours. And everyone loves an underdog!

BTW you'll do well to get 260bhp out of an 1840cc BD.....

If i thought there were going to be any small cap cars in Uk or europe in 2012 i might consider keeping the old girl but being honest car you see it happening.

Oh it was more about 2000cc BDG sherwood engine..... have a look at the masters series for sale board, I know torque wins races buuuut id be interested to know what the BD engines were really producing BHP wise and torque back in the day!..... (SORRY off topic i know but historic an vaguely reliant)

[zefarelly]

We share a penchant for flattery . . . Its likely I'll be sharing with an Extra from 'Ice Age'

Originally Posted by john ruston

Joe, The Alfa is slower now as the driver is twice the size of the previous piliots!

Should be a handicap!

[zefarelly]

On the subject of CC's . . . THe Scandinavians and others seem to be happy to run smaller CC engines and race for class wins . . . I've supplied kits of parts for 1300cc escorts for example, but over here no ones interested in anything interesting, just the biggest bang for the buck - Lotuse Cortina or Mustang for example.

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

On the subject of CC's . . . THe Scandinavians and others seem to be happy to run smaller CC engines and race for class wins . . . I've supplied kits of parts for 1300cc escorts for example, but over here no ones interested in anything interesting, just the biggest bang for the buck - Lotuse Cortina or Mustang for example.

BDH or BDJ Escort....... Now your talking..... that would be good. There is a distinct lack of recognition for the small engines in the UK. Shame really.

[Mike Bell]

The Portugese run a series for 1300s. Several Escorts in it, mostly Xflow. The 1840cc BD engines that were biggest allowed in 1976 Gp2 Escort supposedly had 260bhp. Surprising as they were wet sump as well, but maybe that's why Zakspeed blew so many up.....

[zefarelly]

the guys I've dealt with run downdraft nand crossflow . . . . why waste money!

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

The Portugese run a series for 1300s. Several Escorts in it. The 1840cc BD engines that were biggest allowed in 1976 Gp2 Escort supposedly had 260bhp. Surprising as they were wet sump as well, but maybe that's why Zakspeed blew so many up.....

But the question is year period spec aside what were they getting from a 2.0 bd engine? lets say dry sumped ali or cast block with period injection kugel or lucas or any other mechanical injection.

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

The Portugese run a series for 1300s. Several Escorts in it, mostly Xflow. The 1840cc BD engines that were biggest allowed in 1976 Gp2 Escort supposedly had 260bhp. Surprising as they were wet sump as well, but maybe that's why Zakspeed blew so many up.....

Its a long way to go to Portugal each weekend to race the NSU.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

The Portugese run a series for 1300s. Several Escorts in it, mostly Xflow. The 1840cc BD engines that were biggest allowed in 1976 Gp2 Escort supposedly had 260bhp. Surprising as they were wet sump as well, but maybe that's why Zakspeed blew so many up.....

In fact the rules of the time, excluded dry sumping. The rule was reversed half way through 76.

[morninggents]

Originally Posted by Hunter1300

But the question is year period spec aside what were they getting from a 2.0 bd engine? lets say dry sumped ali or cast block with period injection kugel or lucas or any other mechanical injection.

In 1977 we had 270 bhp from a 1970cc Richardson FVC on injection. 1998cc BDGs produced about the same or a little more.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Hunter1300

But the question is year period spec aside what were they getting from a 2.0 bd engine? lets say dry sumped ali or cast block with period injection kugel or lucas or any other mechanical injection.

Sorry, thought the question was specific to the car you posted a pic of Wagenpass a while back. That was 1840cc.

'morninggents' was there and did it, so take it as gospel. 270/275 sounds about limit to me for length of races they were doing in ETCC. Maybe more for a sprint engine, Peter?