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PointDSM · 23 Oct 2013, 12:05 (Ref:3322123)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

I'm surprised they're looking for a new P2. I seem to remember them saying they still had the HPD they ran in 2012.

ESM bought that chassis for their 2nd LMP2 car.

Brownj · 23 Oct 2013, 14:04 (Ref:3322130)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

I agree and the Nissan engine is definitely the quick set up right now but they've got a pretty solid relationship with HPD though...

I was told "no" when I specifically asked about sticking with HPD. Things can obviously change in the next few weeks as teams decide what to run (especially when looking at availability), but I would tend to agree with this logic:

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Originally Posted by BullMan

In 6 ALMS seasons Muscle Milk/Cytosport ran 4 different cars. In 2008, when they didn't run in ALMS, they ran a different Lola at the LM24. I think they're going to go with whatever they think will be most competitive P2 car.

Fogelhund · 23 Oct 2013, 20:18 (Ref:3322288)

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/ex...ford-for-2014/

Ganassi switching to Ford.

Canada ALMS fan · 23 Oct 2013, 20:18 (Ref:3322289)

I wonder if they are getting the Ford dollars Mike Shank was hoping for?

David Land · 23 Oct 2013, 20:46 (Ref:3322304)

Maybe Whiney Mike Shank will have to go to the devil P2 cars to afford to race next year.

FstrthnU · 23 Oct 2013, 21:26 (Ref:3322317)

http://www.racer.com/tuscc-action-ex...rticle/317584/
Action Express to continue running 1 Corvette DP full time and possibly 1 more for the NAEC

Lanky Turtle · 24 Oct 2013, 06:18 (Ref:3322456)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

I wonder if they are getting the Ford dollars Mike Shank was hoping for?

Probably Ford just wanted more than 1 team running the engine, and why not try to woo the biggest team?

jasonjessica09 · 24 Oct 2013, 14:47 (Ref:3322606)

What about the drivers for Ganassi? I could not imagine that Chevy would let the Ganassi NASCAR and Indycar drivers drive a Ford Ecoboost for any races. See that is why this whole deal does not make sense to me. I don't recall Dagys saying it was a confirmed official decision by the way.

Breitling24 · 24 Oct 2013, 16:16 (Ref:3322630)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

What about the drivers for Ganassi? I could not imagine that Chevy would let the Ganassi NASCAR and Indycar drivers drive a Ford Ecoboost for any races. See that is why this whole deal does not make sense to me. I don't recall Dagys saying it was a confirmed official decision by the way.

Ganassi's teams have never been one manufacturer.
His other drivers have raced his Dinan BMW powered DP's... his drivers are contracted to his race teams, not to the engine supplier. No conflict.

Maelochs · 24 Oct 2013, 16:35 (Ref:3322635)

Dagys is pretty good with rumors---he doesn't usually publish and then have to retract.

As for drivers--who knows? Pruett is good for another year but he has beent alking about needed reparative surgery for a while. Memo Rojas brings the Telmex bucks, so his seat is solid.

Ganassi drivers were free to drive BMW motors, who knows about Ford? Likely the second car would need a paying driver but there might be some of them around after the merger.

It's not like Telmex-Ganassi isn't an attractive seat.

Dead-Eye · 24 Oct 2013, 19:28 (Ref:3322682)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Ganassi drivers were free to drive BMW motors, who knows about Ford?

BMW wasn't competing with them in NASCAR though. I'm not saying that automatically rules it out, but it might become an issue.

Lagunaseca_4life · 25 Oct 2013, 01:04 (Ref:3322769)

They are not factory drivers and not contracted as far as I know to any manufacturer so it shouldn't be a problem. Ganassi is the one with the driver contracts so he can do what he wants with them.

Simmi · 25 Oct 2013, 20:37 (Ref:3323045)

P2: Nah PC: Erm WEC P1: Hmm...

Level 5 are playing musical chairs and the music is about to stop. Still seem very undecided on next year. But I think this is the first public acknowledgement that they are looking at WEC P1

http://www.racer.com/level-5-conside...rticle/318051/

David Land · 25 Oct 2013, 21:38 (Ref:3323061)

I don't understand that move at all, why would anyone look at WEC P1 without a factory program? Especially when you already have two P2 cars ready to go...

...also yaaaaaaaaaaaay more of those exciting PC cars to hold up the GTLM cars next year!

Simmi · 25 Oct 2013, 21:49 (Ref:3323064)

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Originally Posted by David Land

I don't understand that move at all, why would anyone look at WEC P1 without a factory program? Especially when you already have two P2 cars ready to go...

...also yaaaaaaaaaaaay more of those exciting PC cars to hold up the GTLM cars next year!

I have to admit, I don't really understand the thinking. If Tucker wants to win, fair enough. He can't do that in P1. He MIGHT be able to do that in P2 - with machinery they already own.

cmk · 25 Oct 2013, 22:13 (Ref:3323071)

It's a bit of a puzzle isn't it? I know they already have been there, done that with respect to P2 in the ILMC, but so too with PC. I can see the P1 thing making sense if Scott really, really wants a new challenge (acknowledging the time he ran the Kolles R10). As a place where they can win, though? Versus Rebellion, in a fair fight? Hmm...

The only other motivation I could see is from HPD's side, if they feel like giving a shove to any team thinking of actually running their new P1 package?

Beetle · 25 Oct 2013, 22:16 (Ref:3323072)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

I have to admit, I don't really understand the thinking. If Tucker wants to win, fair enough. He can't do that in P1. He MIGHT be able to do that in P2 - with machinery they already own.

I'm not sure which is more important to Tucker: social status (what class you're in, P1, P2, etc) or money (P1 is more expensive than P2, P2 than PC, etc). I have a feeling he's juggling those two options right now. I'm sure he'd like to flaunt his image since he's an arrogant **** but he'd also like to spend less money.

These days, LMP1 is only for top privateers and factory teams. Compared to the likes of Rebellion, Audi, Toyota, Porsche, etc, Level 5 has virtually no money nor power. They'll end up like Autocon. They thought they could do anything but ended up going down the slippery slope of cutting corners financially/mechanically, which led to bad performances, less sponsorship, and most of all, no one wanted to join the team because anyone half smart knew that they wouldn't get past lap 1 (literally, at Le Mans).

If Tucker wants to continue to be successful and respected by his competitors, he needs to continue in LMP2. The world of elite endurance racing has changed in favor of the financial powerhouse manufacturers like Toyota and Audi just over the last few years, and Level 5 simply wouldn't stand a chance against their competition. If they want to win, LMP1 is impossible, they may have a shot at LMP2, and in LMPC they would surely win. I agree with you, Simmi, I'm not sure where any hesitation lies...

MoMedic9019 · 25 Oct 2013, 22:20 (Ref:3323076)

The hesitation is based in litigation.

He stands a chance of not making the 2014 grid, assets being seized, and himself going to the klink.

Christian Mogami · 25 Oct 2013, 22:41 (Ref:3323087)

I think HPD is going to fund one 2014 1/2 P1 and race it at a couple late races next year to dial in the chassis then race the whole year 2015 with a full ERS.

And Level 5's pit set-up looks better than the factory teams!

Use them to sell their product.

Christian Mogami · 25 Oct 2013, 22:46 (Ref:3323091)

And also I think the team plans was always to go P1 WEC with Tucker doing LMPC but the delay to the 2014 Wirth P1 and the NASCAR new rule of only 10 PC per race put a curve to their plans.

EricS · 25 Oct 2013, 22:54 (Ref:3323097)

May as well spend his money while he can...

Lagunaseca_4life · 26 Oct 2013, 01:30 (Ref:3323155)

So do you have any new info on his case? I haven't heard anything new, since this got out in 2012 people said he wouldn't make it to the end of the season,then he wouldnt complete the 2013 season because he would get arrested,then he wouldn't go to mosport or Le Mans because they wouldn't let him leave the country.well he ended up doing all those things,when is he going to get arrested already.if they go p1 they would race in the privateer class not against the factories.so far it's just rebellion and strakka,maybe they feel they can win against them.

cmk · 26 Oct 2013, 02:27 (Ref:3323165)

So far just Rebellion. Strakka has not confirmed what their 2014 plans are as far as I am aware.

**joeb** · 26 Oct 2013, 03:26 (Ref:3323173)

OK, this is a thread about entries, not about a persons character, legal status, or monetary resources. You have been warned.

fanta4 · 26 Oct 2013, 03:48 (Ref:3323175)

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Originally Posted by David Land

I don't understand that move at all, why would anyone look at WEC P1 without a factory program?

Maybe he's found a loophole in the rules and thinks he can win the driver's championship. A "World Championship" wouldn't hurt his ego at all.

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