[Team] US F1

[gttouring]

well its official
they shut the doors for the season...
autoweek. com for reference http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100217/F1/100219907

[Chatters]

I'm not believing anything until they either show up at Bahrain or Peter Windsor himself admits that it's over...

[josvandeperre]

Originally Posted by gttouring

well its official

Just because an American paper reprinted an Argentinian rumour (that has already been discussed here) does not make it fact

[nea]

It may as well be. The silence from USF1 has been deafening. And in this instance it really does seem as there is no smoke without fire. It's been a farce of a winter for USF1, Anderson and Windsor should be royally ashamed of themselves for ever letting the situation get to this.

Windsor does not need or deserve our sympathy. It's the guys at the factory who have worked their asses off, not been paid and most likely need new jobs who do. There's never a good time to lose your job through no fault of your own, and this is definitely not their fault.

This sorry saga will have done untold damage to F1 in the US. Losing the US GP was bad enough, but what USF1 has done has made F1 lose all credibility to average Joe (or José) Public who, from what I could tell over on this side of the pond, were genuinely excited about having a proper "Made in the U.S of A" team compete in F1.

Good riddance to the Anderson's and Windsor. Tough break for the people who were actually working. Hope you all find employment again soon.

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by Flyin Ryan

The point stands regarding gaining a SuperLicense by methods under the table. Grease a few palms, you can get anything done with the FIA.

No palm greasing involved, if you earn one by getting in the certain positions in that championship (IIRC it's top four in the last two years of IndyCar, two three in the last two years of GP2, GP2 Asia, FIA F2 or Formula Nippon, a few less from WSR and the most recent British/Japanese/EuroSeries/Italian F3 champions - it's all on the FIA website) and complete 300km over two days in an F1 car, you get a Superlicence. Fauzy and Ide qualified from WSR and Formula Nippon respectively, the Argentinian Touring Car Championship doesn't give you a superlicence, neither should it. Bearing in mind their grids, there is a very strong case for reducing the number of Superlicences for Formula Nippon.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Chatters

I'm not believing anything until they either show up at Bahrain or Peter Windsor himself admits that it's over...

The amusing thing is that neither of those are likely to happen.

You are going to remain stuck in limbo.

[GTRMagic]

Dead According to Crash.Net

Where is Mr Windsor? Are the tailenders guys going to record an epitaph?

[josvandeperre]

And they too are quoting the Argentinian rumour as well as the Americans who are quoting the Argentinians

All these stories go around in circles cos people only read the headlines and never the story itself....

[Jamesy-18]

[GolddustMini]

surely if USF1 are dead (agreed they are simply rumours at this time) then surely mr Stefan will be well placed to pick up a super cheap f1 entry, after all if USf1 arent going to make it i presume they would otherwise forfeit the entry anyway (as did the prodrive entry) so they may as well offload it to recoup some money.

[old man]

Speed TV must surely be the place to seek definative info, we can't see that in Europe, what are they saying?

[Chatters]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The amusing thing is that neither of those are likely to happen.

You are going to remain stuck in limbo.

Nooooooooooooooooo!

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by old man

Speed TV must surely be the place to seek definative info, we can't see that in Europe, what are they saying?

on the website nothing, don't normally watch that channel during the week because the programming sucks - Sunday evening they have the Speed Report at 18:00 local and Dave DeSpain later in the evening - perhaps those will have something about the demise - there is a forum on www.speedtv.com and many hostile posts about Pompus Peter and his evil twin Anderson. A blog from an Autoweek editor says it all (see prior post by gttouring where there is a link to that very informative information)

what's interesting this morning is that Carabante has taken over Campos with Colin Kolles and Geoff Willis in the short term BUT no mention of Chad Hurley or Lopez - article is on autosport this morning

what now??

[kezza7]

Yeah, bye bye USF1 http://en.espnf1.com/teamus/motorsport/story/9004.html

don't see any way back now.

[Flyin Ryan]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

No palm greasing involved, if you earn one by getting in the certain positions in that championship (IIRC it's top four in the last two years of IndyCar, two three in the last two years of GP2, GP2 Asia, FIA F2 or Formula Nippon, a few less from WSR and the most recent British/Japanese/EuroSeries/Italian F3 champions - it's all on the FIA website) and complete 300km over two days in an F1 car, you get a Superlicence.

Participation in those series is not a prerequisite. I know Nic Jonsson has a Superlicense for example and he's never finished in the top of the listed series. And I can also do 185 miles in an F1 car provided I give a team enough money to lend me a car.

[strider]

Originally Posted by Flyin Ryan

Participation in those series is not a prerequisite. I know Nic Jonsson has a Superlicense for example and he's never finished in the top of the listed series. And I can also do 185 miles in an F1 car provided I give a team enough money to lend me a car.

I think what duke_toaster meant was that anyone doing the things he listed automatically gets a super licence. It's why Alguersuari could step straight into the Toro Rosso mid-season last year as he was the reigning BF3 champion.

Yes, there are other ways, but those are guaranteed.

[Last2LiftOff]

Originally Posted by josvandeperre

And they too are quoting the Argentinian rumour as well as the Americans who are quoting the Argentinians

All these stories go around in circles cos people only read the headlines and never the story itself....

Err, apparently you don't have to tell us twice Jos.

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by strider

I think what duke_toaster meant was that anyone doing the things he listed automatically gets a super licence. It's why Alguersuari could step straight into the Toro Rosso mid-season last year as he was the reigning BF3 champion.

Yes, there are other ways, but those are guaranteed.

takes a few euros too - despite the cost cut of the super license for 2010 - it still costs Lewis over 215,000 Euros to drive this year

(The basic cost of the super licence has risen from 1,690 euros (£1,580) in 2007 to 10,400 euros in 2009, with an additional charge based on the number of points amassed during the season going up from 447 euros per point in 2007 to 2,100 euros per point in 2009.)

Per FIA -

Super licence: required for the Formula One World Championship
for Drivers.

2.2

Grade A: required for Formula One, GP2, ChampCar and IRL
and valid for all other events listed on the FIA international
calendar except those specifi ed above.

5. Quali

fi cation and conditions of issue for the Super Licence

The FIA Formula One Driver Super Licence is issued by the FIA.

5.1 Quali

fi cations

5.1.1 The driver must be the holder of a current FIA International Grade
A licence.
5.1.2 The driver must also satisfy at least one of the following
requirements:
a) have made at least 5 starts in races counting for the FIA Formula
One World Championship for Drivers the previous year, or at
least 15 starts within the previous 3 years.
b) have previously held the Super Licence and have been the
regular test driver with an F1 World Championship team for the
previous year.
c) been classi

fi ed, within the previous 2 years, in the fi rst 3 of
the fi nal classifi cation of the F2 Championship, or of the fi nal
classifi cation of the GP2 Series, or of the final classification of
the GP2 Asia Series or of the fi nal classifi cation of the Japanese

F/Nippon Championship,

d) been classi

fi ed in the fi rst 3 of the fi nal classifi cation of the Indy
Racing League (IRL) series or of the Champ Car World Series
within the previous 2 years; been classifi ed in the fi rst 4 of the

fi

nal classifi cation of the Indycar IRL series the previous year.*
* From 1.1.2010: been classifi ed in the fi rst 4 of the fi nal classifi cation of
the Indycar IRL series within the previous 2 years.
e) be the current champion of one of the following:
Formula 3 Euro Series
The principal national F3 championships of: Great Britain, Italy,
Japan, Spain
World Series F/Renault V6
N.B.: the title of Champion is considered valid for 12 months from the last
race of the relevant series or championship season.
f) be judged by the FIA to have consistently demonstrated
outstanding ability in single-seater formula cars, but with no
opportunity to qualify under any of c) to e) above. In this case the
F1 team concerned must show that the applicant has driven at
least 300 km in a current Formula One car consistently at racing
speeds, over a maximum period of 2 days, completed not more
than 90 days prior to the application and certifi ed by the ASN of
the country in which the test took place.

By exception, if supported by the Safety Commission, the FIA
World Motor Sport Council may approve the issue of the Super
Licence to persons judged by the Council to have met the intent
of the quali

fi cation process.

5.2 Application Procedure

a) The complete application must be received by the FIA
at least 14 days before scrutineering for the

fi rst FIA Formula
One World Championship event in which the candidate is to
compete. In the case of a driver change in the Championship
for reasons of force majeure, the FIA may accept applications
up to 48 hours before the start of initial scrutineering for the
event.
b) The ASN which issued the driver’s current competition licence
must submit to the FIA a specifi c recommendation, accompanied
by the driver’s record of results and current International A licence
number.
c) The driver must submit a completed Super Licence application
form to the FIA.
d) The annual Super Licence fee must be paid to the FIA.

5.3 Conditions of issue

5.3.1 When Articles 5.1 and 5.2 have been complied with to the
satisfaction of the FIA, it will issue the licence.
5.3.2 The Super Licence will be valid to the end of the year of issue.
5.3.3 A driver accepted under the terms of 5.1.2 f) above will be on
probation for a period of 12 months during which the Super
Licence will be held provisionally and subject to review at any
time.
5.3.4 A driver will remain eligible for the renewal of a

first Super Licence
for 8 months after the date of issue, subject to compliance with
5.2 b) to d) above.

[HJJ]

A "tweet" from USF1.

The US F1 Team web server is down and is being repaired as this is written. We are not gone, as many have reported. More news soon.
about 1 hours ago from web
USF1Team

[strider]

Originally Posted by CarolK

takes a few euros too - despite the cost cut of the super license for 2010 - it still costs Lewis over 215,000 Euros to drive this year

(The basic cost of the super licence has risen from 1,690 euros (£1,580) in 2007 to 10,400 euros in 2009, with an additional charge based on the number of points amassed during the season going up from 447 euros per point in 2007 to 2,100 euros per point in 2009.)

I didn't say it was free; any licence costs money, but those figures are definitely on the high side. Still, nothing from the FIA comes cheap.

[ECW Dan Selby]

Originally Posted by HJJ

A "tweet" from USF1.

Hmm I wonder what this, more news soon will be....

Selby

[davyboy]

You'd imagine that somebody as media savvy as Peter Windsor would handle this situation/speculation better than a tweet on twitter.

[vin13]

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Hmm I wonder what this, more news soon will be....

Selby

Surely it can't be good, right? Hoping for the best none the less.

[jab]

Originally Posted by HJJ

A "tweet" from USF1.

'Tis correct. Website's back up now

[CarolK]

Originally Posted by jab

'Tis correct. Website's back up now

perhaps someone forgot to pay the website hosting bill??