WEC Porsche Prototype Discussion - Page 89

deggis · 18 Jul 2013, 05:10 (Ref:3278985)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Unless I am crazy mistaken, Penske is the factory team, as Joest is for Audi.

So... the in-house team from Weissach has suddenly vaporized?

Gingers4Justice · 18 Jul 2013, 07:18 (Ref:3278997)

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Originally Posted by deggis

So... the in-house team from Weissach has suddenly vaporized?

This is the thing. Porsche have been spending a lot of money, hiring a lot of people and making a lot of fuss about the fact this is going to be an in-house project, which makes this news (or is it still a rumour?) all the more eye brow raising.

As I say, this could be more like Oreca/Toyota than Joest/Audi. Oreca have only given Toyota a few mechanics to operate with and Hugues de Chaunac's expertise, it could be similar.

Otherwise, could this be some sort of attempt to have four competitive Porsches on the grid, with Penske as the second team?

Dario911 · 18 Jul 2013, 11:03 (Ref:3279045)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Otherwise, could this be some sort of attempt to have four competitive Porsches on the grid, with Penske as the second team?

Right point!
In my opinion, that's the true mission of the Penske involvement!
Two works cars, and two semi-works car with Penske colors, this is the answer.

Fogelhund · 18 Jul 2013, 13:10 (Ref:3279084)

Let's not take Penske involvement as officially 100% done at this point.

Breitling24 · 18 Jul 2013, 14:41 (Ref:3279129)

Coincidence? A featured article in the current Christophorus magazine (Porsches "in house" publication) is about Mr. Penske and his years of involvement with Porsche. Also there is an interview with Fritz Enzinger regarding Porsche's return to LMP1.
Remember when Webber was at Porsche just to recieve delivery of his car?

**skycafe** · 18 Jul 2013, 15:19 (Ref:3279134)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Otherwise, could this be some sort of attempt to have four competitive Porsches on the grid, with Penske as the second team?

That may very well be the case. But, I can't imagine though that Penske would go into this if there is a situation where they are number two when it comes to development parts.

David Land · 18 Jul 2013, 18:05 (Ref:3279157)

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-lmp1-program/

Tim Cindric denies Penske Porsche program... for 2014... at this time.

Sounds like a lot of 'we aren't announcing anything yet'.

EricS · 18 Jul 2013, 18:12 (Ref:3279160)

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Originally Posted by David Land

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-lmp1-program/

Tim Cindric denies Penske Porsche program... for 2014... at this time.

Sounds like a lot of 'we aren't announcing anything yet'.

Of course he denies it. But good on Dagys for chasing him down.

thudnuts · 18 Jul 2013, 18:12 (Ref:3279161)

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Originally Posted by David Land

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-lmp1-program/

Tim Cindric denies Penske Porsche program... for 2014... at this time.

Sounds like a lot of 'we aren't announcing anything yet'.

I don't know... Just read the article, he seemed pretty concrete about 'nothing on the horizon'. But I could be wrong.

MoMedic9019 · 18 Jul 2013, 18:23 (Ref:3279163)

Nothing is for '14...I've been saying the whole time since I heard this rumor, then read the story on DSC..that this is for 2015...

2015...not '14...

**Aysedasi** · 18 Jul 2013, 20:34 (Ref:3279197)

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Originally Posted by thudnuts

I don't know... Just read the article, he seemed pretty concrete about 'nothing on the horizon'. But I could be wrong.

In the motor racing world, concrete is rarely set in stone.........

deggis · 18 Jul 2013, 21:22 (Ref:3279202)

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Originally Posted by EricS

Graham Goodwin ‏@dsceditor 3h
So twitter nation - any reason you can think why Adrian Sutil and his manager were guests of Porsche at Goodwood FOS?

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Originally Posted by deggis

http://pic.twitter.com/cqqRdFlIyt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbJzXrgasU&

deggis · 18 Jul 2013, 21:49 (Ref:3279208)

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Originally Posted by Breitling24

Coincidence? A featured article in the current Christophorus magazine (Porsches "in house" publication) is about Mr. Penske and his years of involvement with Porsche. Also there is an interview with Fritz Enzinger regarding Porsche's return to LMP1.
Remember when Webber was at Porsche just to recieve delivery of his car?

Some parts of it are available for free:

http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessori...013/june-july/
http://files2.porsche.com/filestore....2-116a018cc2f5

Only quote worthy part:

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When Enzinger started at Weissach in November of 2011, fifteen staff members were designated and two buildings were in planning. Since then the number of personnel is approaching the envisioned two hundred. The team moved into the office building in September 2012, and into the workshop in November. In the intervening period he had more people than space, a problem he solved in typical Enzinger form. "In the beginning we were spread out in four different buildings," he recalls. "But that's not the way to build a team. So we worked for three months in an enormous container. It was just a container, but atleast we were all in it together."

lemansnsx · 19 Jul 2013, 04:33 (Ref:3279259)

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Originally Posted by EricS

Of course he denies it. But good on Dagys for chasing him down.

You're kidding, right? Dagys doesn't chase anything down. He only repeats what he's told. He has said that over and over again. Plus he is forever saying he doesn't like to speculate or discuss rumors. Sorry but if it is not in an official press release that lad knows nothing about it.

EricS · 19 Jul 2013, 06:43 (Ref:3279279)

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Originally Posted by lemansnsx

Sorry but if it is not in an official press release that lad knows nothing about it.

Dunno how you can say that as he is the one who broke the story on the GA/ALMS 'merger', and his article caught the bigwigs off-guard during the Baltimore weekend.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...lizing-merger/

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Speaking with ALMS President and CEO Scott Atherton in the Baltimore paddock, the longtime head of the series denied such an agreement being in place, while a GRAND-AM Road Racing spokesman declined comment.

Maelochs · 19 Jul 2013, 12:59 (Ref:3279376)

As far as I know, John Dagys is Always looking for the latest scoop, the newest confirmable rumor, the freshest leak or slip .... he might not Report on stuff he hasn't confirmed, but he is always looking for the next stoy no one else has yet .... and he gets a lot of leaks and exclusives because the teams know him and trust him, and because they know he will get the news out to a big audience.

He posts press releases verbatim (and marked as such) but that is Far from all he does ... as far as I know.

FstrthnU · 19 Jul 2013, 18:39 (Ref:3279466)

http://www.racer.com/porsche-test-un...rticle/303732/

So Mark Webber's Infiniti contract may not let him test for Porsche until next year

Pandamasque · 19 Jul 2013, 18:50 (Ref:3279469)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

In the motor racing world, concrete is rarely set in stone.........

It's more like that proverbial Mars bar on the hot sun.

lemansnsx · 19 Jul 2013, 19:31 (Ref:3279480)

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Originally Posted by EricS

Dunno how you can say that as he is the one who broke the story on the GA/ALMS 'merger', and his article caught the bigwigs off-guard during the Baltimore weekend.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...lizing-merger/

Of course he did.

He's a marvelous investigative journalist and, when his contract with Speed expires next month, he's going to land somewhere where he can really shine...

Shoes perhaps or maybe the windows on some of those buildings back in Chicago.

deggis · 19 Jul 2013, 19:38 (Ref:3279482)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://www.racer.com/porsche-test-un...rticle/303732/

So Mark Webber's Infiniti contract may not let him test for Porsche until next year

The new Porsche is understood to have run at the EuroSpeedway Lausitz this week

Spy pics/vids please

Richard C · 19 Jul 2013, 20:12 (Ref:3279488)

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Originally Posted by lemansnsx

You're kidding, right? Dagys doesn't chase anything down. He only repeats what he's told. He has said that over and over again. Plus he is forever saying he doesn't like to speculate or discuss rumors. Sorry but if it is not in an official press release that lad knows nothing about it.

Bizarre post.

I would expect that he "chases people down" so that they can interview them and then they "tell him things "so that he can "repeat what he has been told" in print or on the web. As a journalist, I would expect he doesn't like to get involved in speculation or rumors, but sometimes where there is smoke there is fire. So report on the fire, but not the smoke. And I can't imagine why you feel he only knows what has been fed to the world via press releases as that has been proven to not be accurate.

Richard

lemansnsx · 19 Jul 2013, 20:30 (Ref:3279493)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Bizarre post.

I can't imagine why you feel he only knows what has been fed to the world via press releases as that has been proven to not be accurate.
Richard

If you'd like to believe that he's actually a real journo doing real reporting that's okay.

Gingers4Justice · 19 Jul 2013, 21:22 (Ref:3279504)

Wow, a lot of vitriol going on about Dagys. I thought our community was better than that.

If you want someone who endlessly reports every single rumour he hears, then fine. Dagys is one of very few journos I follow on twitter, because if he says something it's usually true. If that's not your cup of tea, then fine - not sure about the need for some of these snide comments about him though.

Moving on back to Porsche, I'm hoping we'll get a leaked pic of the car....

porsche91722 · 19 Jul 2013, 21:24 (Ref:3279506)

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Originally Posted by lemansnsx

He's widely known to be nothing but a puff piece writer for the hands that feed him. If you'd like to believe that he's actually a real journo doing real reporting that's okay too but you need to know that when his expenses are covered (for some events) by the people he is writing about his independence goes out the window.

Widely known to be a puff piece writer eh?

In what circles? Media competitors perhaps?
AFAIK he is one of the most respected sports car racing journalists out there. He reports the facts as he knows them and calls out rumors for what they are, and that ruffles a few feathers. Sure, he gets paid to go places, but how do you think these guys survive?...... on fresh air! I've met the guy and he is a genuine top bloke, with no bs involved. Sure he knows where his bread is buttered, but when you are getting paid you have to tread warily in some areas of reporting and not bite the hand that feeds you. John manages to do this without too much bias towards anyone, unlike some others (a certain U.K. based subscription sports car racing site maybe?

). The media is full of oneupmanship and it sounds like you may have an axe to grind here.

gregtummer · 19 Jul 2013, 22:16 (Ref:3279519)

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Originally Posted by lemansnsx

Of course he did.

He's a marvelous investigative journalist and, when his contract with Speed expires next month, he's going to land somewhere where he can really shine...

Shoes perhaps or maybe the windows on some of those buildings back in Chicago.

Please return to the underside of your respective bridge.

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