Formula Atlantic etc (was 'Chevron B29s') - Page 6

Bryan Miller · 3 Jun 2003, 23:07 (Ref:619811)

Chris,

Following is grid of Marches only , next time I post something to Allen I will send the whole report.
July 6 1975.

Gilles Villeneuve , Skiroule March 75B
Bertil Roos , Schweppes/Castrol 75B
James King , March 75B Traylor.
Vince Muzzin 75B Cosworth.
Craig Hill, Gabriel March 75B- Hart.
Jon Woodner , Interscope March 75B-Swindon.
Vern Schuppan , Rapid Movements 722/73B
Frank Delvecchio, Analube March 73B-Hart.
Chip Mead, Lambrusco March 75B-Hart.
Tom Outcault March 75B-Hart.
Tom Pumpelly, March 75B-Hart.
Peter Broeker, Stebro March 74B-Breatorex.
Charlie Gibson, March 73B -Hart.
Tim Cooper, Rutledge Oil March 75B.
Price Cobb, March 75B - Race Shop.
Cliff Hansen, March 75B Race Shop.

40 car grid.
Regards Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 3 Jun 2003, 23:25 (Ref:619834)

Whooooooooops,
Can't type , make James King car 73B.
Sorry Bryan , had you worried but ?????????

Milan Fistonic · 4 Jun 2003, 03:05 (Ref:619962)

Quote:

Originally posted by Bryan Miller
Armco, thanks for confirming , I have never seen any ref. in period in N.Z. or Aust. to a BT30 in our neck of the woods.
I suppose he had contacts in the U.K. and poss. trying to move a car for somebody.
Bryan.

According to Racing Car News Ken Smith drove a BT30 at the 1972 Singapore GP as did Leo Geoghegan. Geoghegan was invited to drive by Graeme Lawrence's father as Graeme was still in hospital after his NZGP crash. The report states that the Lawrence BT30 was then owned by a Singapore businessman. They also have Albert Poon driving a BT30.

That doesn't tie in with other sources which say that the Lawrence car was a BT29.

Bryan Miller · 4 Jun 2003, 03:37 (Ref:619981)

Milan,
I just checked Macau 1972, and we only have A.Poon in a BT30 , but in 1973 we have A.poon in a Brabham F2 , K.Misaki in a BT30 and T.Cheng in BT30 , that is on 18/11/73.
In 1974 Misaki and Cheng still have their cars and Poon is in a BT40. possibly his 1973 entry was also this car called out as a F2.
You could well be correct in saying Lawrence was advertising on behalf of someone from S.E.Asia.

Thanks Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 4 Jun 2003, 03:41 (Ref:619983)

Chris,
Have you seen the Autosp. 2/1/75 pg.46.
Derek Cooks car '' works development car ''and also saying he has Chevron B27 and can't make up mind which to keep, also funny ref. to Alan Jones.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 4 Jun 2003, 07:55 (Ref:620110)

Bryan

Haven't seen that report, but it does confirm other sources about Cook's 75B. He then sells the B27 and the 75B and buys a B29 [29-75-29]. He uses this for most of 1975, then sells it to Jeremy Rossiter, and buys what is described as either his old B27, or more probably, the B27 run for Bertil Roos in Euro F2 and N.American Atlantic in 1974, and run by the works for Jim Crawford in Atlantic at the end of '74.

I'm planning to write to Cook when I've got a bit more time [in July] and see if he can help.

Bryan Miller · 5 Jun 2003, 09:56 (Ref:621558)

Armco and Milan, I just looked up the for sale adv. for David Sharp's Brabham BT29-23 and that states it is the car used by G. Lawrence to win the Singapore and Kaula Lumpar G.P.s , so it was probably the car Lawrence was advertising in 1973.
Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 5 Jun 2003, 16:52 (Ref:622022)

Bryan

A bit more work on the '75 Canadian series yields the following more accurate allocation of March 75Bs

Ecurie Canada: 3 [Villeneuve[Skiroule]/Roos [Schweppes]/Hill [Gabriel]
Shierson: 4 John Woodner/Syd Demovsky/Richard Melville/Jim Batchelor/Cliff Hansen/Marty Loft [uses Woodner's car]/Tom Pumpelly/Vince Muzzin and Brambilla at Trois Rivieres [uses Woodner's car]
1 goes to Tim Cooper
1 goes to Don Briedenbach
1 goes to who ever runs Price Cobb
1 goes to who ever runs Chip Mead
Which is 11 of the 12 built, and the 12th car is new for Ecurie Canada for Depaillier at Trois Rivieres. Though he doesn't use it. The engine goes in the warm up on race morning and they hire Tim Cooper's car which is a DNQ

Chris

allenbrown · 5 Jun 2003, 21:33 (Ref:622292)

Chris

I just emailed Don about the 75B.

Allen

Bryan Miller · 5 Jun 2003, 23:53 (Ref:622399)

Chris.

Out of all that we have ,

March 75B-10 for Bertil Roos .
March 75B-8 to Shierson for?????

I see what you mean re. Derek Cook's 75B as he still has it in August 75.

Re. 75B-8 now owned as advised previously by Howard Blight in Aust. via Dave Saunders in N.Z .
I have just remembered when Gary Simkin and I rebuilt it , the front 12/18 inches of the tub were not original and a major repair had been beatifully carried out using another front bulkhead , obviously after 1 of his good shunts in N.Z. as he had another later in I think 1978.

What I am trying to say is we found ref. on the inside of one of the skins to Melville.
But Melville ran in N.Z. as well , so maybe it doesn't help.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 6 Jun 2003, 22:25 (Ref:623351)

Bryan

We also have 75B-12 to Ecurie Canada for Depaillier at Trois Rivieres and then what? [This is simply because it is the 12th built, and we know about the other 11 delivered some time earlier.]

BTW: Have now solved one of the original queries about Chevron B29s that instigated this thread about a hundred messages ago.
Brett Riley's B29 was indeed the car run by Wheatcroft for Richard Morgan.

Chris

allenbrown · 8 Jun 2003, 15:32 (Ref:624650)

Chris

Don didn't quite answer the question so I guess he doesn't remember. He did say "Yes, I have seen the car recently. It belongs to Tony Seiniger. Tim Fortner did the rebuild on the chassis. I saw the original log book that went with the car."

Hope this is helpful.

Allen

PS Did you notice this is now the third-longest thread ever on Ten-Tenth's historic forum?

Chris Townsend · 8 Jun 2003, 17:50 (Ref:624776)

Allen

Okay, all we need to do now is track down Tony Seiniger...

I guess the length of this thread proves that there was a lot we didn't know [and still don't!]

Chris

allenbrown · 8 Jun 2003, 21:40 (Ref:625034)

He owns an advertising agency with the worst web site I've ever seen. His email is tseiniger@seiniger.com.

Allen

allenbrown · 17 Jun 2003, 10:49 (Ref:633992)

Is this still the general purpose Atlantic thread?

If so, herewith some notes from Chequered Flag May 1979 on the 1600cc cars running in the 1979 Australian Rothmans series.

Bob Johns - Ralt RT1/39
"the one used in NZ ... in 1977 by Bruce Allison"

Bob Creasy - Birrana 273/8
See the Birrana thread.

Wolfgang Prejewa - March 763/76B
"leased from Andrew Miedecke, has no chassis plate or know number"

Peter Lerner - Chevron B39/B45
"Paul England's ex-Tony Martin (South Africa) B39 updated by Chevron factory to B45 specs - the prototype of this model"

John Smith - Ralt RT1/99
No notes but chassis number given in summary table.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 17 Jun 2003, 11:30 (Ref:634038)

Allen

The Prejewa car would be 77B-C1 or C2 built for Ian Grob to use in the '78 series.

The John Smith car is interesting because firstly Vercoe gives this as 91, and secondly 99 is, if F1R is to be believed, the ex Cassani F2 car. This was raced by Larry Perkins in Europe so perhaps he got to take it home with him.

Chris

allenbrown · 17 Jun 2003, 15:57 (Ref:634463)

Chris

Vercoe right, me wrong! That should read 91 - that's how it appears in Chequered Flag, that's how I entered it in my database but somehow I hit '99' in my post.

Apologies for my carelessness.

Allen

Bryan Miller · 17 Jun 2003, 23:15 (Ref:635009)

Chris and Allen.
Creasy Birrana ch.no. reads 273-008.
Wolfgang Prejawa leases car from Andy Miedecke, this is 763-14 .
Peter Larner , typo correction.
Peter builds my engines so will ring him and ask what happened to Chevron , have heard rumors to confirm it is still here , so will find out.
77B-C2 HAD NOT EVEN BEEN BUILT UP BEFORE 1980.
Ray Hanger had 77B-C1 by 1980 , but could have had it earlier, will check.

Ralts, RT1-39 , Bruce Allison to Gary Johns, to brother Bob Johns , retained 2003.
RT1-91 Scuderia Veloce for Larry Perkins , to John Smith , to Terry Ryan, to Adrian Martin , to Jeremy Kenyon , to Doug Macarthur 1999 , retained.
RT1-88 , also was here.
Bryan.

eldougo · 18 Jun 2003, 08:37 (Ref:635283)

Chris Townsend.

The John Smith car is interesting because firstly Vercoe gives this as 91, and secondly 99 is, if F1R is to be believed, the ex Cassani F2 car. This was raced by Larry Perkins in Europe so perhaps he got to take it home with him.
________________

I don,t know the chassis number ,however Larry an myself
built it from new in 1978 an it went to N.Z. for it,s to
have it,s 1st race.It was orange / red in colour.A good
car, the current chassis is the 4th one built under that
number. DOUG

Bryan Miller · 14 Jul 2003, 23:05 (Ref:661249)

Chris,

March 74B-1 , the Wella Wenz car , with the ref. I advised from the sales list to , Planner.
A/Sport Jan. 2 1975 , p51 .
For sale above car with photo , contact is ,

Planners International Ltd.
47 Curzon st. London ,W1Y 7RE.
These people may have been some sort of marketing agency handling the Wella account , and as such were the people directly dealing with March etc.
I wonder if the sale of the Lola used by Wenz in 1975 is recorded by Lola to custmer Planner as well.
Anyway this clears up another little mystery.
Bryan.

Doug , I checked with Harry Galloway re. the above Ralt, and the car is only on it's 3rd. tub.
1 X original , 2 x Galloway.

Armco Bender · 15 Jul 2003, 03:54 (Ref:661381)

Quote:

It was orange / red in colour

If my memory serves me right it was unusual it that it had a wing mounted on the front of the nose cone didn't it?.The only Ralt RT1 I ever saw with one like that.

racing fxgt · 25 Jul 2003, 04:49 (Ref:670809)

Don't know if this will be off any help to your search but found this site http://www.highspeedbooks.co.nz with loads of old NZ racing programs for sale.

allenbrown · 25 Aug 2003, 21:49 (Ref:698707)

As this seems to be the Atlantic March thread, I thought I'd try this question here.

Thanks to the quite excellent Curt Bond, I now have full results from the 1974 Van Heusen series and I'm trying to identify all the cars. Most I can do thanks to this thread and others but a few are puzzling me.

Ian Douglass's March. This is variously described as a 732, a 733 and a 743. Anyone know what it was?

Alfredo Costanzo's Elfin Mono. According to the Elfin book, Alf had two Monos, the ex-works 1965 MK11B (MB6550) that he bought from Ian Cook and the later 1967 MK11D (MD6756) that he got from John Ampt. Was Alf really driving a seven-year-old Elfin Mono in 1974?

Mal Ramsey's second 'Bob and Marj Brown' Birrana. At Round 5 (Symmons Plain 22 Sep) and Round 6 (Phillip Island 13 Oct), the Browns had a second 273 for Ramsey. Muir then drove this car at Round 7 (AIR 27 Oct)after his own had problems. Only Muir then appears at Round 8 (Lakeside 8 Dec). So here's my question: was the Brown's original car (as driven by Busselmann at R1 & R2, Muir thereafter) 273-009? If so, was the second car 273-006?

Kurt Seeberg's Brabham BT36. Anyone?

Ian Fergusson's Bowin P6. Is this a misprint (and really his old P3A) or did he really buy a new P6. Only seen at R8 Lakeside on 8 Dec.

Many thanks

Allen

Amonfan · 25 Aug 2003, 23:52 (Ref:698849)

Hi Allen,

Ian Fergusson's Bowin was in fact a P6, the P3 was wrecked at the Oran Park Round, actually catching fire etc. He would race the P6 a number of years in the Australian scene.

Ian Douglass car was apparently a March 732 that was damaged at Amaroo in May, 1974. He then adapted 742 parts to the car. Later in the year it becomes known as a March 743, as far as i know he had the 1 car. The car was damaged at Oran park in 1975, put in the trailer, where it caught fire, and apparently the whole lot burnt to the ground in the Oran park pit area.

Alf Costanzo was in a Elfin Mono, i have pictures of the car in a magazine, he was quite a driver Allen

hence the reason he was so quick when he purchased the Geoghegan Birrana in 75.

I'll see what i can find out about the Kurt Seeburg Brabham BT36.

Curt

David McKinney · 26 Aug 2003, 17:56 (Ref:699750)

My records say that Seeburgs's car was BT36-36, as campaigned in 1973 by Brian Cameron for various drivers. Now believed owned by Brian Sampson (which info I probably got from this forum)