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Old 9 Apr 2012, 13:22 (Ref:3055809)   #51
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Didn't Lotus F1 give a couple of journalists some kind of jobs?
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Old 9 Apr 2012, 15:32 (Ref:3055853)   #52
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Didn't Lotus F1 give a couple of journalists some kind of jobs?
You may be thinking of Saward and Tramayne, both now Directors at Caterham Group.

Not to suggest that it will affect their independent journalistic integrity in any way of course.
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Old 9 Apr 2012, 21:01 (Ref:3056048)   #53
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You may be thinking of Saward and Tramayne, both now Directors at Caterham Group.

Not to suggest that it will affect their independent journalistic integrity in any way of course.
Saward discussing this loan story would actually help Fernandes/Caterham.
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Old 9 Apr 2012, 22:09 (Ref:3056088)   #54
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Saward discussing this loan story would actually help Fernandes/Caterham.
So your point is?

I'm sure he will if he thinks it's worthwhile reporting, and corroborated.
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A new article by Joe Saward on the Lotus situation, trying to second guess what is likely to happen in the future.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/...t-group-lotus/
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Old 10 Apr 2012, 20:54 (Ref:3056766)   #56
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It seems Group Lotus is near death and the last resort is to kill the patient [via one of the various legal options], sell off the assets and then attempt to revive. The Group Lotus saga seems more like a medical drama cliffhanger. For Lotus to reunite seems to depend on a rather sickly Genii to be first in on the firesale. That's what I gather from what Saward is saying anyway.
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I wonder what Colin Chapman would have to say about all of this....
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 01:39 (Ref:3056903)   #59
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I wonder what Colin Chapman would have to say about all of this....
Group Lotus might as well be a chain of Chinese Takeaways or a stickering company in Kuala Lumpur for all he'd recognise of his old company.
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I agree, it's akin to stealing art from the louvre to me..
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Old 11 Apr 2012, 08:07 (Ref:3056988)   #61
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I am gutted by all of this and frankly would love the opportunity to punch Bahar in the *censored*. The first pain was losing Team Lotus and Lotus Engineering. (Remember the days where manufacturers would use Lotus as a contract manufacturer for specialised components/design?)

The whole Danny Bahar debacle. He seems to have a shelf life of 2 years everywhere he has been. No doubt a great wheeler and dealer but seems once people wake up to his smoke and mirrors they are left with little substance and the realisation that nothing is going to eventuate and they have just blown a load of money.

I really hope Lotus is saved by GenII or the like and that as a manufacturer they continue to build low volume niche cars. A tie up with the F1 team means they could again grow the engineering consultancy side of the business....but the fact remains it probably makes very little business sense to save the name Lotus. Its a shame that Fernandez was pushed aside as you get the feeling that guys gets over the line on his projects and seemed to have an interest in preserving the heritage of the Lotus name
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At this point it is difficult to know what will happen to Group Lotus, however the F1 team is independant of it and can survive seperatly (after a name change again).
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Group Lotus committed to F1. The article is actually quite hilarious.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98706
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Just... wow.

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You can thank good old Tony Fernandes for these two. Don't take everything he tweets too seriously – perhaps he's still frustrated about owning Caterham instead of Lotus and the fact that he fights HRT and Marussia instead of Mercedes and Ferrari in F1.

And whilst we're on the subject of jokes - do you know the latest F1 joke? Mike Gascoyne, Caterham Group's Chief Technical Officer, has gone missing. Why? He's looking for the 30 to 40 points he predicted for the last F1 season. Funny.
Even Ferrari don't tend to be this mental with their press releases!
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I reckon Mr Porter will be proud of getting such a response.
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Group Lotus committed to F1. The article is actually quite hilarious.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98706
Is that really a press release ???
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F1 would certainly be more interesting if its press releases became more like that. I'm not sure it inspires too much confidence though. Saward's response is icey and reserved!
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Group Lotus committed to F1. The article is actually quite hilarious.

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Nothing like putting a bit of spin on things.
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Is that really a press release ???
Its worse on the Lotus site....
http://www.lotuscars.com/gb/news/cor...way-good-story

.....but better on Sniff
http://sniffpetrol.com/2012/04/11/lotusfirstdraft/

True genius from Lotus to attract a pasting on all media platforms.
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It actually reminds me of a kind of Ferrari last heard during the Prost era. Lots of melodrama and easy tempers. Bahar himself was probably too Ferrari even for Ferrari. You'd get a calmer reaction from a teenage girl on a blog.
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False rumour # 6: Kimi doesn't know which team he's driving for.
Fact: Kimi is still unsure about which team he's driving for, but he knows his car is black.
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From Mr Gascoyne's twitter...





I hear there is plenty of space on the Caterham for Rexona and co to join in their fun....

While meantime, Uncle Joe has his nose right royally out of joint Here
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Joe is rightly angry
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Rumour has it Frankie Boyle is taking over Lotus PR
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Team Lotus are really going all out to make themselves very popular, this season.

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