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Old 25 Feb 2005, 14:35 (Ref:1235722)   #26
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I don't think much of flags anyway. They are a symbol of diversion and should not be used in this day and age.
their a symbol of nationality... to get rid of flags, you'd first have to get rid of nationality. and that's pretty much a lost cause
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 15:52 (Ref:1235794)   #27
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:06 (Ref:1235925)   #28
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Ban the European flag and national anthem, Ode for joy, my hiney!
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:09 (Ref:1235932)   #29
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I didn't know Europe had a national anthem?
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1235935)   #30
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Yes it does.

Well, the European Union does at least.

Beethoven's Ode to Joy.
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:17 (Ref:1235944)   #31
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[off topic] It's probably very politically incorrect but does anyone else find it ironic that the united Europe has an anthem that was originally written in German - after two world wars to stop Germany from taking over Europe in the 20th Century [/off topic]

Anyway, back to national flags. At the end of the day, if his country doesn't want their flag being worn for sport, then that's their decision. It's not up to FIA or anyone else to say otherwise.
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:22 (Ref:1235950)   #32
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That's true, but as F1 doesn't race in India (yet) they can't stop him doing as he pleases outwith their borders.

The helmet design uses the flag colours, but not in a flag shape in any case.
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:36 (Ref:1235966)   #33
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Interesting. I wonder if national flags are covered by copyright law?

Bottom line, whilst they may not be able to stop him, they can certainly make life very difficult for him if he doesn't do it. For instance, be a bit hard to be an F1 driver if your country suspended your passport.........

If the reports about this being a political issue to do with cricket are correct, then I imagine that a quiet agreement will be made once the furore has died down a bit.
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Old 25 Feb 2005, 18:41 (Ref:1235973)   #34
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Interesting. I wonder if national flags are covered by copyright law?

Bottom line, whilst they may not be able to stop him, they can certainly make life very difficult for him if he doesn't do it. For instance, be a bit hard to be an F1 driver if your country suspended your passport.........

If the reports about this being a political issue to do with cricket are correct, then I imagine that a quiet agreement will be made once the furore has died down a bit.

True.

I'm not 100% on this, but I'm sure I read somewhere Narain also has a UK passport. May be wrong. But I agree the thing will die down.
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Old 26 Feb 2005, 00:17 (Ref:1236262)   #35
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I for one think having an identity, knowing where your roots are and being proud of showing them to everyone is great. It's another thing to kill or make wars for nationalistic reasons, but then again it's bad to kill anyone or anything.

As for Karthikeyan... He now should stage a helmet design competition...
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[off topic] It's probably very politically incorrect but does anyone else find it ironic that the united Europe has an anthem that was originally written in German - after two world wars to stop Germany from taking over Europe in the 20th Century [/off topic]
I didn't know this-you mean the european anthem has the same tune as the german one?
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Old 26 Feb 2005, 09:27 (Ref:1236436)   #37
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I always thought it was the 'Eurovision' one-the best tune played at the song contest-it also used to open coverage of Monaco F1 back in black & white BBC days.
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[off topic] It's probably very politically incorrect but does anyone else find it ironic that the united Europe has an anthem that was originally written in German - after two world wars to stop Germany from taking over Europe in the 20th Century [/off topic]
And that the first person to set in train the economic process to lead to a single currency was Adolf Hitler...

The German national anthem is not Ode To Joy, BTW.
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Old 26 Feb 2005, 11:10 (Ref:1236480)   #39
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Hmmm, I don't know how you can understand from EP's post that she meant that Germany's national anthem was the same as the Ode To Joy one...

She only said it was written in German...

Strange that... what was this thread about again?
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Old 26 Feb 2005, 13:08 (Ref:1236556)   #40
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Ok now i'm really lost

Ode to joy (or parts thereof) isn't in any anthem is it?

Anyway i think a ascii man might have cleared up my first missunderstanding
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Old 26 Feb 2005, 13:21 (Ref:1236569)   #41
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Ode To Joy is the European anthem apparantly...

Just check this: http://europa.eu.int/abc/symbols/anthem/index_en.htm
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It's overused already, you can also hear it on UEFA Champions League programs, and it is also played on Formula 1, when drivers spray Mumm allover the place on the podium.
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That's not ode to joy they always play when the driver spray their champagne....
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Ah, a bit samey, perhaps, both have a choir of shrieking putas, whom break my ears.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 08:19 (Ref:1237017)   #45
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Karthikeyan has sported the same helmet design in all his years of racing in international series so how come it's a problem now
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 08:47 (Ref:1237044)   #46
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I suppose distorting a bit the design will be ok. I cannot imagine someone from indian gov looking with a magnifying glass if there are three particular colors in the helmet :->
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I hear Karthikeyan's Naan is really disappointed.
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Flip - just wondered - does the fact that there is a wheel on the Indian flag mean that he isn't allowed any of those either?
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