HSCC Cadwell

[coppice]

A meeting I never miss, which has provided some wonderful racing for single seaters and much more. But dear oh dear, the grids are thin this year . A few years ago we had two heats and a final for FF1600 and big grids of sports and saloons. I can understand a diminution in some grids - lots of clubs are fishing in the same pool for races with Elans, Cortinas and so on but where have all the single seaters gone ? And why cant we see more sharing with other clubs if grids are small?

Half a grid's worth of FF1600 and nine - nine ! - Modsports. Come on..

I am not pointing a finger at HSCC but really - we have lot of racers in the UK , how do we tempt more out at the same meetings ?

I'll enjoy my weekend , it's Cadwell in May after all but I do hope for better .

[Mike Harte]

I think that a considerable part of the problem about a lack of entries may well be down to the fact that a lot of people believe that they have far more financial needs rather than indulging in what can be a quite expensive hobby.

[coppice]

Well, yes , obviously that is true for some . But what I struggle to see is how CSCC gets 20-40 car grids , and so I believe does HRDC and CTRC , so why does HSCC struggle ?And where have the 50 plus FF1600s of a few years all gone- hibernating, waiting for 60th ?

[Thundersports]

This is a meeting I always attend at the wonderful Cadwell but looking at the entry list i'll be giving it a miss. There's been a lot of dissatisfied HSCC racers due to their pricing policy on entry fees which is clearly showing now.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by coppice

Half a grid's worth of FF1600 and nine - nine ! - Modsports. Come on..

I am not pointing a finger at HSCC but really - we have lot of racers in the UK , how do we tempt more out at the same meetings ?

I don't find that some of the HSCC's entries are particularly surprising. For example, there is a quite a lot of cross-over between the Modsports and the CSCC's Special Saloons and Modsports, which are also racing at Thruxton this weekend. In this context, I'm not surprised by nine cars on the list. In addition, there does seem to be a bit a cycle between series that do well and those that are not. For instance, a few years ago, HSCC's Historic Touring Cars got good grids, whereas the CTCRC's Pre-66 series did not. This weekend, the latter series will pretty much have a capacity grid at Mallory, whereas the few HSCC cars are merged in with the Historic Roadsports.

However, things like Historic FF1600 don't really have an obvious home elsewhere (apart from racing against more modern cars), which suggests that there are some other issues at play as the rate of decline has been bigger than some other series.

I'm intrigued as to whether merging things is the solution - some drivers do seem to be deterred from racing in a more mixed grid. For instance, as you know, the MG Trophy is racing with the Jaguars this year. It's interesting to note that there are only six MGs on the entry list for Thruxton - which is a significant decrease on their average grid in 2023.

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by kipper

I don't find that some of the HSCC's entries are particularly surprising. For example, there is a quite a lot of cross-over between the Modsports and the CSCC's Special Saloons and Modsports, which are also racing at Thruxton this weekend. In this context, I'm not surprised by nine cars on the list. In addition, there does seem to be a bit a cycle between series that do well and those that are not. For instance, a few years ago, HSCC's Historic Touring Cars got good grids, whereas the CTCRC's Pre-66 series did not. This weekend, the latter series will pretty much have a capacity grid at Mallory, whereas the few HSCC cars are merged in with the Historic Roadsports.

However, things like Historic FF1600 don't really have an obvious home elsewhere (apart from racing against more modern cars), which suggests that there are some other issues at play as the rate of decline has been bigger than some other series.

I'm intrigued as to whether merging things is the solution - some drivers do seem to be deterred from racing in a more mixed grid. For instance, as you know, the MG Trophy is racing with the Jaguars this year. It's interesting to note that there are only six MGs on the entry list for Thruxton - which is a significant decrease on their average grid in 2023.

There are few, if any of the Modsports/Special Saloons racing at Thruxton this weekend that would be eligible, or are registered for, the HSCC series. So I don't think it's a potential clash of meetings which explains the turnout.

The HSCC series is still a relatively new series, so I guess they're hoping entries will build as the series gathers momentum. As far as I'm aware, this is the first year they've run it as a stand-alone race, so last year they were mixed in with other series and the low entries may have been less obvious.

As for mixed grids generally: I guess no one really likes them - I'm sure we'd all like to race in our own dedicated races, just against the other cars in our own respective series, but I guess we have to be realistic and pragmatic in our expectations. If any given series is regularly struggling to make double figures - in an age where a club possibly needs an average of 25 - 30 cars in every race just for a meeting to break even - then I suppose we just have to accept that we're going to be getting combined grids or face much higher entry fees?

Even the CSCC who, historically, have usually been able to muster enough entries for most series to get their own dedicated race have, in the last couple of years, been combining grids to get the numbers up enough to cover costs.

So, perhaps it's just a sign of the times: too many clubs offering too many series and chasing an ever dwindling pool of potential competitors? Maybe it's simply something we have to accept to move forwards, or we go and find one of those rare series that still has no problem mustering enough cars to fill a grid?

[flatlandsman]

It just seems like dilution. Historic racing is where there are two things, a fair amount of cars and also a lot of money. hence we are where we are

Oh and also some fairly big ego's!

[ridaow]

As a long term competitor at the back end of HSCC's Historic Road Sports may I add my concern about the current state of club racing, evidenced by declining grids, the forced amalgamation of disparate series (e.g HRS with HTC and, sometimes, with more modern front wheel drive saloon cars!), fragmented HSCC meetings and inexorably increasing entry fees. I suspect much of the malaise is due to MSV's escalating circuit charges and insistence on whole weekend bookings. Historic motor racing seems low down MSV's priorities - track days are obviously much more profitable.

[coppice]

Perhaps , but it's easy to blame a sitting target .Without track day income race fees would be higher .

What I struggle to accept is that the UK is blessed with some great circuits and a hell of lot of racing cars and drivers . There are more than enough circuits , cars and drivers for most weekends in the season to have race meetings with full grids . But so many organising clubs don't work with each other , but in competition. This leads to impoverished grids, less appeal for driver or spectator and lower gate takings.Put the right stuff on - VSCC , big bike meetings - and the people will come. But I am wondering if I will make a weekend of it next year - it was a fabulous meeting with big , overflowing grids very recently .

I was at CSCC Oulton on scribbling duty recently and what really struck me is the big appetite for historic racing (in fact racing generally) in Cheshire , with better crowds than just about any other circuit except Brands possibly. I know Cadwell is miles from anywhere , which apparently puts some off , but that is part of its appeal!