Audi LMP1 Discussion

[CTD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

I replayed the video numerous times and I still don't see it. Either it is my eyes or my computer screen... Are you sure it is not the track or the shadow of the car?

There is no smoke, what so ever.
Only thing i see is a little bit of dust from the track.

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

I replayed the video numerous times and I still don't see it. Either it is my eyes or my computer screen... Are you sure it is not the track or the shadow of the car?

the tailpipes are on top of the engine cover. Its not something you can mistake for a shadow. Watch it in 480p as thats the best it will go in youtube.


check this one out its easy to see against the sky under the dunlop bridge

at 2:10 http://youtu.be/fIf8BpUx7qo?hd=1

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

keep in mind that the tailpipes are under the rear wing not on the sidepods like last year. look right there. its obvious and that a lot of smoke

So obvious you're having to point out where the exhaust is! I'm not making this up, I can't see it, even in 480p. Sorry.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by CTD

There is no smoke, what so ever.

So the vote is 3-2 for no smoke

BTW I also watched in 480p on a 1680*1050 laptop screen.

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

check this one out its easy to see against the sky under the dunlop bridge

at 2:10 http://youtu.be/fIf8BpUx7qo?hd=1

I posted a link to that video on the forum 2 days ago

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Video report by Peugeot Sport: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xif...pril-2011_auto

Acid09 claimed that the new 908 does not smoke under heavy acceleration:
Look at the video around 2:10 min

Remember how I started the whole discussion:

Originally Posted by gwyllion

@chernaudi: Your Audi fanboyism is clouding your judgement. In the Peugeot Sport video about the Le Mans test day, there is only one moment where a light mist of smoke is visible. However, on the Sebring test footage the R18 is smoking very badly on a number of shots; see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9e15hs_T0k#t=1m22s.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

check this one out its easy to see against the sky under the dunlop bridge

at 2:10 http://youtu.be/fIf8BpUx7qo?hd=1

Hurrah, even you aren't imagining that one!

[chernaudi]

Only suggestion I have left is to watch it in wide screen. I can't see it being entirely dust, because there's no gravel pits in that area of the track (someone would have to have gone really wide to have brought a lot of dirt on to the racing line), and the coloring of whatever it is is a greyish mist. And it still seems to be coming out above the rear deck, and I didn't see any other vehicle make that much smoke in that area.

Either way, it happens with both the R18 and the 908 going from low or partial load to wide open or a very open throttle, as I've read that both cars emit little to no smoke at sustained wide open throttle, with oddly the 908 being reported as being marginally (key word being marginal, as in barely) worse down the Mulsanne at full throttle, where it would seem that it wouldn't be the case.

And I have a question about a statement that Audi made since the exhaust is the topic at hand. The press release said that noise is wasted power/energy. Isn't that sort of a contradiction? I'd think that more noise would mean a less restrictive exhaust, even on a turbo engine. And less restiction means more power.

Could there being one particle filter/one pipe for two engine banks mean more stuff being blown out the exhaust, and a sign that there's a lot of back pressure possibly?

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Only suggestion I have left is to watch it in wide screen. I can't see it being entirely dust, because there's no gravel pits in that area of the track (someone would have to have gone really wide to have brought a lot of dirt on to the racing line), and the coloring of whatever it is is a greyish mist. And it still seems to be coming out above the rear deck, and I didn't see any other vehicle make that much smoke in that area.

The car passing at 4:51 kicks up a lot of dust.

You can not deny that the R18 is a lot worse on the Sebring video. There are a lot of moments where a constant plume of smoke is visible (rather high) behind the R18 for a long period of time.

[Adam43]

Look there!

[gwyllion]

That looks a lot like this picture of the old 908 last year: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/Peuge...10kerblamo.jpg

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

I replayed the video numerous times and I still don't see it. Either it is my eyes or my computer screen... Are you sure it is not the track or the shadow of the car?

Originally Posted by CTD

There is no smoke, what so ever.
Only thing i see is a little bit of dust from the track.

Originally Posted by Adam43

So obvious you're having to point out where the exhaust is! I'm not making this up, I can't see it, even in 480p. Sorry.

Originally Posted by gwyllion

So the vote is 3-2 for no smoke

BTW I also watched in 480p on a 1680*1050 laptop screen.
I posted a link to that video on the forum 2 days ago

Remember how I started the whole discussion:

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[Adam43]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

That looks a lot like this picture of the old 908 last year: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/Peuge...10kerblamo.jpg

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Only suggestion I have left is to watch it in wide screen. I can't see it being entirely dust, because there's no gravel pits in that area of the track (someone would have to have gone really wide to have brought a lot of dirt on to the racing line), and the coloring of whatever it is is a greyish mist. And it still seems to be coming out above the rear deck, and I didn't see any other vehicle make that much smoke in that area.

Either way, it happens with both the R18 and the 908 going from low or partial load to wide open or a very open throttle, as I've read that both cars emit little to no smoke at sustained wide open throttle, with oddly the 908 being reported as being marginally (key word being marginal, as in barely) worse down the Mulsanne at full throttle, where it would seem that it wouldn't be the case.

And I have a question about a statement that Audi made since the exhaust is the topic at hand. The press release said that noise is wasted power/energy. Isn't that sort of a contradiction? I'd think that more noise would mean a less restrictive exhaust, even on a turbo engine. And less restiction means more power.

Could there being one particle filter/one pipe for two engine banks mean more stuff being blown out the exhaust, and a sign that there's a lot of back pressure possibly?

Well let break it down. All things happen because of energy.

Where does sound come from.....Energy

[92scotland]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Look there!

Ten-Tenths should add a 'Like' button! Plus, very realistic photo!!

[The Badger]

I seen more smoke than that coming from those diesels .

Wonder why Dave Richards or Henri have never protested that point ?

[WMUCarGuy]

I only watched it once and could immediately notice the smoke at 2:10 like a previous poster had said.

[Audi Racer]

the audi engine revealed...http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/28/a...n-the-new-r18/

[WMUCarGuy]

The bear reports it's possible the R18 will be Audi's last LMP car.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by WMUCarGuy

The bear reports it's possible the R18 will be Audi's last LMP car.

I heard it would be their last....diesel LMP car. Just go back to post #1 to see what started this thread.

[MitchZ06]

So the R20 will be hybrid or petrol?

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

So the R20 will be hybrid or petrol?

lol. its a bit too early for that. Murphy says the R18 may be audi's last prototype

I have a feeling that this R18 is in for the long haul.

[Fogelhund]

Audi buys Williams, goes to F1?

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Audi buys Williams, goes to F1?

No. if they cant afford anymore sportscar programs why would they go to F1. As we all know. as of late german manufactureres have taken a beating in F1.

As far as im concerned sports car racing is the way to go. It much more cost effective and is relevant to road cars

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by Audi Racer

No. if they cant afford anymore sportscar programs why would they go to F1. As we all know. as of late german manufactureres have taken a beating in F1.

As far as im concerned sports car racing is the way to go. It much more cost effective and is relevant to road cars

Where was it suggested that they couldn't afford it?

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Pickett said at Sebring that Porsche would be in LMP1 in 2013, so Im wondering whether that has something to do with this.

[Audi Racer]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Pickett said at Sebring that Porsche would be in LMP1 in 2013, so Im wondering whether that has something to do with this.

Actually it would. considering Bernhard and Dumans are still factory porsche drivers...add rockenfeller.

Also volkswagen going to WRC. they have a big platter

“When we press the button we need about two years and that means if in the short future - I’m talking about the next months - we could make a decision we could be there in 2013 but if not we can be there in 2014,” explained Nissen.
thats a quote from volkswagen talking about enterign the wrc.


Could it be.. Audi to WRC(quattro-hello?)it only makes sense

Porsche to P1?
We have to beg porsche to let The Penske boys run this outfit.

I would give an arm and a leg to see those DHL Penske Porsche P1's. sweet nostalgia