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Old 21 Dec 2005, 17:47 (Ref:1488206)   #26
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crowd admission money rarely goes to the series anyway, so i see it as completely irrelevant judge of whether a series is financially stable or not...
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Old 21 Dec 2005, 22:24 (Ref:1488393)   #27
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Bella >> If they don't get any crowd admission money, then how does it work? Does the circuit pay a1gp, or is there a promotor who pays the circuit & a1gp? I mean if they don't get any money from crowd admission how can they make money?
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Old 21 Dec 2005, 22:49 (Ref:1488406)   #28
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Circuit will pay A1GP.

Most of the money comes from TV rights though
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Old 21 Dec 2005, 23:52 (Ref:1488436)   #29
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But the circuit gets its money from the spectators, so the size of the crowd (or lack of one) is important in that respect. It also makes the show look better on TV.
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Old 22 Dec 2005, 08:46 (Ref:1488523)   #30
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So have I. The point is why did they hold the race on Sunday? - surely for races in countries where the weekend is different it wouldn't be too hard to respect the local traditions by moving the race to Friday?

With respect to revenues I don't see much sponsorship on the cars (with the exception of China) and with TV audiences representing a miniscule amount compared to F1 how on earth is this series being funded? After all the A1GP business model was touted by the Sheikh to prospective team owners as a Business Model that would produce a profit. I for one can't see how that will happen any time soon. The question is how long will some team owners sit around bleeding cash with no payback in sight?
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Old 22 Dec 2005, 08:49 (Ref:1488528)   #31
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The reason the race was held on Sunday has already been covered earlier in this thread. It was because of global TV rights etc and the majority of countries taking the feed having their weekend on a Saturday and Sunday.
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Old 22 Dec 2005, 13:37 (Ref:1488698)   #32
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As SG says it had to be Qualy on Saturday and Races on Sunday for TV etc. Knowing that attendance on a work day could be a problem, it was initially suggested that the races take place in the evening after work hours under floodlights.
Unfortunately that didn't happen, but might very well occur next year with a a full 12 months planning behind it.
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Old 3 Jan 2006, 13:35 (Ref:1494101)   #33
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No news means good news I guess.
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Old 3 Feb 2006, 14:54 (Ref:1514850)   #34
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Thanks to Russfeld for the link :

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Old 3 Feb 2006, 15:20 (Ref:1514859)   #35
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Jos, that has been settled out of court according to Reuters.
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Old 4 Feb 2006, 06:32 (Ref:1515262)   #36
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So A1 has a short life then?
I thought it was doing ok, but seems not to be the case...
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Old 4 Feb 2006, 18:06 (Ref:1515549)   #37
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All that discussion on crowd sizes, although a good debate, doesn't really belong in this forum - let alone this thread! So, I've snipped it out and sent it over to Trackside. Apologies if any posts on both subjects have ended up elsewhere, but now we can leave this for financial discussions.
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Old 4 Feb 2006, 18:16 (Ref:1515555)   #38
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Jos, that has been settled out of court according to Reuters.
It's good to see things have been resolved - but it's somewhat scary that the situation presented itself in the first place. This is the second story about financial problems - I don't know if they're related or not, but it's still not good.
Could there be a next time? And if there is, might it not be resolved as easily? It's not encouraging, that's for sure.
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Old 5 Feb 2006, 22:27 (Ref:1516254)   #39
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i think A1 GP is a great concept but there is to much driver range if the drivers were all around the same skill level den it would be a very good series
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 11:28 (Ref:1516490)   #40
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I do too. I do however find it interesting that I heard a lil rumour that Team NZ is probably the only country to be competing in 100% of the rounds this season. Team NZ is probably one of the smallest countries too.....
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 13:55 (Ref:1516563)   #41
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. . . Team NZ is probably one of the smallest countries too.....
But not in terms of its commitment to, and interest in, racing. (Never mind successes and great drivers.)

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Old 6 Feb 2006, 16:25 (Ref:1516639)   #42
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i think A1 GP is a great concept but there is to much driver range if the drivers were all around the same skill level den it would be a very good series
If they had that, plus better cars, it would be GP2.
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i think A1 GP is a great concept but there is to much driver range if the drivers were all around the same skill level den it would be a very good series
I agree with that im from Australia and there is great variance between the 3 drivers we use which makes it disapointing when the best driver is not racing.

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Looks as though we could have seen the last of Team India - the team manager, drivers and engineers have all been asked to submit their resignation by the franchise holder who isn't happy with the situation - Indian companies don't seem to be keen to get behind the team, sadly.
So no India this weekend, but the team may end up being propped up by A1, or the franchise sold onto another country.
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How sad. One of the main points of A1 is to develop the sport in such countries as India where there is not much history - but that takes time. With such a young driver and Indian engineering staff instead of a UK based GP2 spinoff like many of the others, the current Team India setup was an investment for the future, disappointing that the seat holder is taking such a short term view and has run out of patience.

Quite a few other countries have not yet secured much sponsorship either, let's hope that Russia, Japan and India are the only dropouts and we continue with 22 teams.

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Besides the above mentioned three dropouts, all of the others seem to be doing the whole season?
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Where are the sponsors?

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...With respect to revenues I don't see much sponsorship on the cars (with the exception of China) and with TV audiences representing a miniscule amount compared to F1 how on earth is this series being funded?
I watched an A1 race for the first time recently (the Durban race broadcast on tape by OLN in the US) and that was the first thing that I noticed--lots of empty real estate on most of the cars. It was an exciting race, but I don't see how the series can survive long without more sponsorship money. Perhaps if the TV ratings are good, the sponsors will come on board, but right now it looks like major corporate sponsors just aren't interested in A1.
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The current Team India setup was an investment for the future, disappointing that the seat holder is taking such a short term view and has run out of patience.

Quite a few other countries have not yet secured much sponsorship either, let's hope that Russia, Japan and India are the only dropouts and we continue with 22 teams.
Maybe The Boss has actioned some initial franchise purchase agreements seeking payment for such??
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OK, latest is that India may not miss this weekend's races, but it could be a somewhat "fresher" team that competes. Guess we'll have to wait and see...
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I watched an A1 race for the first time recently (the Durban race broadcast on tape by OLN in the US) and that was the first thing that I noticed--lots of empty real estate on most of the cars. It was an exciting race, but I don't see how the series can survive long without more sponsorship money. Perhaps if the TV ratings are good, the sponsors will come on board, but right now it looks like major corporate sponsors just aren't interested in A1.
In comparison to season beggining, many A1GP teams put some sponsorship on their cars: for example, carmaker Proton became sponsor of Team Malaysia, and Sonax is sponsoring Czech team. Among other teams with sponsors on cars are New Zealand, South Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Mexico and China.
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