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There's another one I forgot. I haven't heard much really recently, but there has been talk that the organizers want to add extensions (or an extension) to the WTCC street circuit in Marrakech, Morocco in order to possibly stage an F1 Moroccan GP. Obviously though, I have my doubts about this working out.
It's hard to say on Argentina. I cannot believe that they would be able and willing to foot the bill that Bernie demands. I suppose San Luis might be able to get a Grade 1 certification, but it's a rather unimaginative circuit, and it's fairly remote. Potrero de los Funes is an excellent course that is already at least cleared up through Grade 2, but I shudder to think what Tilke might want to do to it, and it is even more remote. I don't really know what to think about the idea of a new street circuit in Mar del Plata. Autodromo Oscar Galvez would obviously need work. Given what they demand for run-off, I can't see both infield sections being used, and either one could be considered to have issues by itself. Thus, the only way I could see to make the track longer than the recommended minimum is to use the long loop. I don't know what chicanery Tilke would plan for that, though I would suspect there would be some. It would also need to be widened; there's not point in cutting it off short since there's a lake in the way. Finally, it would be a regular undertaking to resurface and/or grind the Buenos Aires circuit because of the recurring bumps. Personally, I like the spark showers though. |
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78240
South Korea has funding, but will the circuit be ready? I don't think it'll happen for one reason or another. |
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If Donington's not going to be ready, and they're not even building a new circuit for that, the KIC won't be ready
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Has building work started though? The article says so. If so, how much progress has been made - perhaps these new investors will have a white elephant on their hands!
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We don't know when it was, but it looks like some sort of start has been made, but little more than that ...
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I wouldn't mind Bahrain and Singapore to be scrapped from the calendar.
No atmosphere, boring races, dull tracks. I would love to see Canada (Montreal or Mt Tremblant) and USA (Laguna Seca) on the calendar. Great traditions, real challenging circuits. |
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Singapore, on the other hand, despite all the reasons why the country shouldn't have a Grand Prix (which also apply to China to be fair) has a spectacular facility that has produce a good race. Whilst it may be a novelty that wears off, the night race element was very good aesthetically. Neither will be dropped, however, because both are on reasonably long contracts. They'll be there next year probably. 2012 and 2013 ... who knows. Quote:
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I think that there are upsides to a Asian pullout in that it could free up calendar space for countries that need GPs (USA, Canada and in my opinion Finland, which would draw fans from all over the region) |
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I will stop going on about Spa eventually, I promise, but I do think it should be on the calendar every year without fail, and the same goes for Suzuka. They are proper circuits that challenge the drivers and bring out the best in them.
When you think that France is the home of Grand Prix, it does seem wrong that there is no longer a race there. It goes to show that Bernie's threat to do away with the British Grand Prix at one time was not an empty one. He respects only money, not tradition. For all that, I think he may have had a wake-up call when he saw the turnout at Silverstone this year and compared it with what everyone saw at some of the much-vaunted new venues. What's more, here are the views of FIA Presidential candidate Ari Vatanen: Vatanen also spoke to colleagues about pushing to keep the Formula 1 races in the traditional venues, like the UK, France and Germany, which are struggling to pay the circuit fees, rather than go to new venues which can pay higher fees, but not fill the grandstands. “I am in favour of course of some new races – the Singapore night race or anything like that – because we need to renew ourselves. “But if we go to the places where the tribunes are empty and at the same time traditional fans of F1 don’t have a race, there’s something wrong. “The fact that Silverstone may not have a race, Hockenheim may not have a race next year, France may not have a race…it means we are alienating the traditional customers and fans and it is not so easy to win them back,” said Vatanen. Source. |
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I agree completely with you, Spa must remain on the calendar and it is important for France to host a grand prix again..Silverstone is the home of the British Grand Prix end of story..
I think within four or five years some of the new circuits will be gone because who ever is providing the funding will find that the rewards are not really that great for country's that have little or indeed any racing history. I liked very much what Ari Vatanen had to say in his interview.. |
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How exactly does Spa lose 3 million euro per race?
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Spa had a good crowd this year did they not?
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Presumably because they did the sensible thing - moving to the Bank Holiday weekend
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That is the logical scheduling for Belgium - bearing in mind its ease of transport from the UK. It ought to be kept on that date, really. Is the 3 million euros figure for '09 or for '09?
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However, if we are operating in the realm of wishing and assuming an unaltered track, then I would just love to see F1 back at Mosport. Modern F1 cars ripping around that track? Oh, my................. Modern F1 cars going around an unaltered Mosport: I'd quit my job if I had to in order to get to that! |
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Apparently it was 3m pounds, not euros. The story goes that the circuit pays 10 to 12m pounds to hold the race, but only has grandstand seating for 40,000 people, the rest of the income coming from basic admission charges, so you can see where the difference lies. If anything this year was better than most, because it was dry on both Saturday and Sunday. It was also followed by the August Bank Holiday Monday, as jab has pointed out, making it more accessible for visitors from the UK. I'm not sure if August 22 next year achieves that.
This is the latest potential calendar, but it's still a long way from being final: Code:
March 14 Bahrain (Sakhir) March 28 Australia (Melbourne) April 4 Malaysia (Sepang) April 25 Turkey (Istanbul) May 9 Spain (Barcelona) May 23 Monaco (Monte Carlo) June 6 Canada (Montréal) June 27 Europe/Mediterranean (Valencia) July 11 Britain (Donington Park) or Europe (Silverstone) July 25 Germany (Hockenheim) August 1 Hungary (Hungaroring) August 22 Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps) September 5 Italy (Monza) September 19 Singapore (Singapore) September 26 China (Shanghai) October 10 Japan (Suzuka) October 24 Brazil (Interlagos) November 7 Abu Dhabi (Yas Marina) Hockenheim is shaky. It would be great to go back to Indianapolis, but that seems to be just a pipe dream. |
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Can't unless Donington relinquish the rights to the British GP name. It's like with the German GP affair a couple of years ago. That's why it's down as the European GP. Valencia's race would become the Med GP (pinching the name from Enna)
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But what if Donington defaults on its agreement with Bernie? Surely then it would forfeit its rights to the name?
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I'm not sure. Going by the "provisional provisional calendar", I guess not. It depends on whether Bernie will let them have a race in 2011 once the work is done - he'd earlier said they wouldn't, but earlier he'd also said that Silverstone wouldn't replace it and he's gone back on that
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