IMSA Race TUSC Round 3: The Tequila Patron Sportscar Showcase at Long Beach - Page 12

TRspitfirefan · 13 Apr 2014, 01:44 (Ref:3391763)

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Originally Posted by David Land

Can anyone in good conscience say that this year's race is better than this one?

I miss the ALMS.

JHamilton · 13 Apr 2014, 01:58 (Ref:3391765)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

TUSC finally produced some respectable racing but still managed to find a way to f**k the fans.

Is that what the old ALMS motto was? Cause it sounds familiar but not quite right... hmmm, not sure.

Oh and I thought the race was okay. To be honest, I've never liked sportscars at Long Beach.

TRspitfirefan · 13 Apr 2014, 02:07 (Ref:3391769)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

So what is your opinion of the P/GTLM only format now? Pretty good eh?

NO!!!
I very much disagree that P/GTLM only format is "pretty good".
The great thing about multi class racing is the variety of speed and cornering ability featured in the different classes. Even when the class positions are spread out, the on track action between the classes is breathtaking.

With DP + GTLM only, there just isn't enough traffic to mix things up.
Also the closing speeds between the two classes aren't really extreme enough to be exciting.

Sadly the Laguna Seca races will also be only two classes.

jasonjessica09 · 13 Apr 2014, 02:42 (Ref:3391779)

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Originally Posted by TRspitfirefan

NO!!!
I very much disagree that P/GTLM only format is "pretty good".
The great thing about multi class racing is the variety of speed and cornering ability featured in the different classes. Even when the class positions are spread out, the on track action between the classes is breathtaking.

With DP + GTLM only, there just isn't enough traffic to mix things up.
Also the closing speeds between the two classes aren't really extreme enough to be exciting.

Sadly the Laguna Seca races will also be only two classes.

You want amateur driving and full course yellows? You prefer what happened at Sebring? You can get your bunched up traffic there. I disagree with this comment 100%. Sorry I'll take green flag racing non stop. The racing was just fine today. If cars are spread out then so be it. Kudos to the #3 Corvette for such a dominant run today. It was well deserved. These are sports cars they are appealing enough to just watch them circulate the track. Especially the GTLM class. And bring on Laguna Seca!!! Thumbs up to IMSA for today's race. There was about 3 occasions where they could have been FCY happy and thrown the flag out but they were patient and let things play out naturally.

FstrthnU · 13 Apr 2014, 02:57 (Ref:3391784)

I do have to say one thing about ESM, Ed Brown really killed the GTLM race by holding up everyone behind 1st place. I can totally understand that as team co-owner he has the right to drive, but that was very poor driving.

**joeb** · 13 Apr 2014, 02:57 (Ref:3391785)

I noticed a tusc commercial was played at pretty much every break, wouldn't actually showing racing during the race be a better advertisement for the series?

jasonjessica09 · 13 Apr 2014, 03:00 (Ref:3391787)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

I do have to say one thing about ESM, Ed Brown really killed the GTLM race by holding up everyone behind 1st place. I can totally understand that as team co-owner he has the right to drive, but that was very poor driving.

I don't think it would have mattered much the #3 was the class of the field clearly. Mr. Brown may not be fast but I think he can keep it clean. Perhaps he does give up some speed in order to keep the car in one piece.

Also I just don't think this was the track for the SRT Vipers. I expect them to come back at Laguna.

Also what is up with the spirit of daytona team. These folks just don't have it this year so far. I think a driver shakeup maybe needed.

extramundane · 13 Apr 2014, 03:11 (Ref:3391790)

I remain amused by the folks who AINT GON WATCH THIS NASCRAP yet can recite every detail down to the commercial timing.

MoMedic9019 · 13 Apr 2014, 03:24 (Ref:3391793)

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Originally Posted by extramundane

I remain amused by the folks who AINT GON WATCH THIS NASCRAP yet can recite every detail down to the commercial timing.

You do understand that people are trying to give it every possible chance right? Myself included, I've grown very tired of it, and my interest is waning greatly. Having said that..

I think it's incredibly important to complain to the management, and point out the issues so they can fix them if they desire.

jasonjessica09 · 13 Apr 2014, 03:33 (Ref:3391795)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

You do understand that people are trying to give it every possible chance right? Myself included, I've grown very tired of it, and my interest is waning greatly. Having said that..

I think it's incredibly important to complain to the management, and point out the issues so they can fix them if they desire.

What issues? This race was clean and went off very well.

belt driven · 13 Apr 2014, 03:39 (Ref:3391796)

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Originally Posted by TRspitfirefan

NO!!!
I very much disagree that P/GTLM only format is "pretty good".
The great thing about multi class racing is the variety of speed and cornering ability featured in the different classes. Even when the class positions are spread out, the on track action between the classes is breathtaking.

With DP + GTLM only, there just isn't enough traffic to mix things up.
Also the closing speeds between the two classes aren't really extreme enough to be exciting.

Sadly the Laguna Seca races will also be only two classes.

Not sadly, you are incorrect. Laguna Seca is all four classes. Your sig appears to be correct.

http://www.mazdaraceway.com/continen...rey-grand-prix

5 cars on the lead lap after 100 caution free minutes is a decent, if not thrilling, result. I think street races basically sukk. There is no margin for error or bravery without terminal results. Monaco, Macao, and Long Beach have been around long enough to have historic cred; but I wouldn't pay a dime to attend another one.

MoMedic9019 · 13 Apr 2014, 03:40 (Ref:3391797)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

What issues? This race was clean and went off very well.

Lol. Really? You know, like the 57 minutes of actual racing....that was all they showed, 57 minutes of a 100 minute race. The incessant commercial breaks, the lack of coverage of battles, the wrong information, the BoP being way off...the longest section of race broadcast was 9 minutes.

NINE!!!!!

The broadcast was garbage, completely unacceptable.

FstrthnU · 13 Apr 2014, 04:00 (Ref:3391804)

http://www.esmracing.com/blog/heartb...at-long-beach/
ESM explains that the #1 used too much fuel trying to fight the #42 OAK, so they ran out just after the white flag flew and they finisehd 7th.

ATLFalconsFAN · 13 Apr 2014, 04:19 (Ref:3391814)

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Originally Posted by belt driven

Not sadly, you are incorrect. Laguna Seca is all four classes. Your sig appears to be correct.

http://www.mazdaraceway.com/continen...rey-grand-prix

All four classes, but not racing together at the same time. Instead we'll have two, short, boring races. I miss the days of four or five classes racing together for six hours. I will not be flying out there this year.

jasonjessica09 · 13 Apr 2014, 04:25 (Ref:3391815)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Lol. Really? You know, like the 57 minutes of actual racing....that was all they showed, 57 minutes of a 100 minute race. The incessant commercial breaks, the lack of coverage of battles, the wrong information, the BoP being way off...the longest section of race broadcast was 9 minutes.

NINE!!!!!

The broadcast was garbage, completely unacceptable.

Yes the broadcast was garbage. The race itself was fine.

nkoske · 13 Apr 2014, 04:28 (Ref:3391816)

Well sounds like I made the right decision not watching the race live. Looks like I can get through it in about 60 min tomorrow on the DVR.

MoMedic9019 · 13 Apr 2014, 04:44 (Ref:3391819)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Yes the broadcast was garbage. The race itself was fine.

That's subjective at best.

MoMedic9019 · 13 Apr 2014, 04:44 (Ref:3391821)

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Originally Posted by nkoske

Well sounds like I made the right decision not watching the race live. Looks like I can get through it in about 60 min tomorrow on the DVR.

57 to be exact.

Matt · 13 Apr 2014, 06:22 (Ref:3391835)

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Originally Posted by takoch

Boosted DP's win over P2's again. Tube frame crap wagons with big motors win.

Carbon brakes, paddle shifters, traction control, production based engines in both naturally aspirated and turbocharged configuration, with a maximum displacement of 8 cylinders and 5.0l for n/a, and a maximum of six cylinders for turbocharged units.

What car am I talking about here?

Accident · 13 Apr 2014, 07:16 (Ref:3391839)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Also what is up with the spirit of daytona team. These folks just don't have it this year so far. I think a driver shakeup maybe needed.

They already have a new driver in for this year, and I would hardly consider Westbrook to be the problem. Last year they didn't really "have it" either. I don't know what is wrong with them, aside from a healthy share of bad luck.

They have always had good drivers for as long as I have been watching, and they have moments where they are very quick, but something always seems to happen, whether it be self-induced, being hit by an opponent, or just bad luck.

This time it was a mistake by Valiante though, and in a short race like this with no cautions it was pretty obvious at that point that they were out of it.

Rodger Davies · 13 Apr 2014, 09:06 (Ref:3391866)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

The racing was just fine today. If cars are spread out then so be it. Kudos to the #3 Corvette for such a dominant run today. It was well deserved. These are sports cars they are appealing enough to just watch them circulate the track. Especially the GTLM class.

You, sir, get it. That sums up sports car racing to me. Enjoy Laguna Seca, I'm glad the series has levelheaded aficionados such as yourself attending.

Starfish Primer · 13 Apr 2014, 10:59 (Ref:3391897)

What happened with the #42? It was close to the lead before the pit stop.

Rodger Davies · 13 Apr 2014, 11:07 (Ref:3391903)

Had a problem refiring after their stop. Otherwise would have been in the mix with the top 3.

wdave0 · 13 Apr 2014, 13:01 (Ref:3391934)

DVR was certainly the way to go, though if this was really a sample of the new way of running races I could even attend in person again. Time will tell. Management really went out of their way to avoid yellow, three occasions (Pew, Pew/Valiante, ad banner debris) that would have been FCY at the two previous races were properly handled under local yellow and debris flags. Looked like the position lights were working right also. The only real fly in the ointment was the excessive commercials, not a good way to win new fans.

wdave0 · 13 Apr 2014, 13:25 (Ref:3391940)

Kind of interesting how the gentlemen P drivers achieved notice by being involved in problems, standing out in the mostly pro field.

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