IMSA Race TUSC Round 3: The Tequila Patron Sportscar Showcase at Long Beach - Page 5

Maelochs · 12 Apr 2014, 01:22 (Ref:3391333)

Shocking results in Prototype. No one would have predicted this.

jasonjessica09 · 12 Apr 2014, 01:23 (Ref:3391334)

-One thing I miss about ALMS: qualifying being televised. Come on folks get that going. A still shot on the track does not cut it.

-GTLM qualifying seems like was very interesting. Who would have thought leading car (Corvette) would get into the 17's. Right on the tail of the HPD LMP2 cars.

-Errr yeah...I think the DP cars needs to have their horsepower cut back some. I bet that Oak, ESM, and Muscle Milk are going to put the utimatim to IMSA next week. BoP the DP's or we are out,

Matt · 12 Apr 2014, 01:24 (Ref:3391335)

First P2 .35 back...then the rest.

Beetle · 12 Apr 2014, 01:24 (Ref:3391336)

Pruett on pole for tomorrow, Ozz Negr(eeeeeeee) (MRN reference

) in 2nd.

BullMan · 12 Apr 2014, 01:27 (Ref:3391337)

I think I'll catch this one on YouTube if something interesting happens. I don't have the desire to watch a small field and a DP win.

Danske · 12 Apr 2014, 01:28 (Ref:3391338)

Pla fails to meet the 100.4% cutoff!

jasonjessica09 · 12 Apr 2014, 01:29 (Ref:3391339)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

I think I'll catch this one on YouTube if something interesting happens. I don't have the desire to watch a small field and a DP win.

Even worse a Ford winning. Well the GTLM race will be worth watching of course. Maybe the class winner can get to the top five overall too. Most importantly lets hope for a clean full course yellow free race.

Beetle · 12 Apr 2014, 01:37 (Ref:3391341)

Pla better than expected, rest of P2s kind of... meh. Oh well, GTLM will be good. Not wishing to snowball the complaining further, but that was not a productive session for SRT. They seem to be getting consistently worse ever since Daytona!

Matt · 12 Apr 2014, 01:42 (Ref:3391342)

Pla being up where he is means it's not completely the BoP being off.

Better prepared teams in the DP side of things, aside from Oak.

Beetle · 12 Apr 2014, 01:47 (Ref:3391343)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Pla being up where he is means it's not completely the BoP being off.

Better prepared teams in the DP side of things, aside from Oak.

That's what I'm thinking. However, Pla is arguably one of the fastest drivers in the world, whereas Pruett is 54 and Barbosa is edging 40. Not that this discounts from their driving ability, but when I hear those names I can't help but think Pla should be edging them a little bit, which is not happening. It would have been interesting to see where Muscle Milk would've placed.

**joeb** · 12 Apr 2014, 01:50 (Ref:3391344)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Pla being up where he is means it's not completely the BoP being off.

Better prepared teams in the DP side of things, aside from Oak.

The hpd package, the tires, etc could also be a factor in p2/do split.

Beetle · 12 Apr 2014, 01:56 (Ref:3391347)

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Originally Posted by joeb

The hpd package, the tires, etc could also be a factor in p2/do split.

The HPD package is becoming a bit antiquated to some of the newer technology out there. Luckily, they'll be updating it for 2015.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=26777

belt driven · 12 Apr 2014, 02:19 (Ref:3391353)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

...I bet that Oak, ESM, and Muscle Milk are going to put the utimatim to IMSA next week. BoP the DP's or we are out,

OAK never ran a full season in ALMS, and MM never committed to a full season (and aren't at Long Beach); so how do you think this ultimatum thing is going to work out?

TF110 · 12 Apr 2014, 02:23 (Ref:3391354)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Pla better than expected, rest of P2s kind of... meh. Oh well, GTLM will be good. Not wishing to snowball the complaining further, but that was not a productive session for SRT. They seem to be getting consistently worse ever since Daytona!

Viper does seem off pace, but the same happened at Sebring and we saw how that turned out. Maybe they want some bop?

Matt · 12 Apr 2014, 02:24 (Ref:3391356)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

That's what I'm thinking. However, Pla is arguably one of the fastest drivers in the world, whereas Pruett is 54 and Barbosa is edging 40. Not that this discounts from their driving ability, but when I hear those names I can't help but think Pla should be edging them a little bit, which is not happening. It would have been interesting to see where Muscle Milk would've placed.

Oak isn't anything like a Ganassi or Pratt & Miller though.

PointDSM · 12 Apr 2014, 02:49 (Ref:3391359)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Oak isn't anything like a Ganassi or Pratt & Miller though.

I beg to differ...

belt driven · 12 Apr 2014, 03:05 (Ref:3391363)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

The HPD package is becoming a bit antiquated to some of the newer technology out there. Luckily, they'll be updating it for 2015.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=26777

I'm curious about something. Do the suffixes after the ARX-03 indicate updates or complete new chassis?

FstrthnU · 12 Apr 2014, 03:08 (Ref:3391364)

03a is first LMP1 ver
03b is lmp2 ver
03c is second lmp1 ver

MoMedic9019 · 12 Apr 2014, 07:12 (Ref:3391399)

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Originally Posted by belt driven

OAK never ran a full season in ALMS, and MM never committed to a full season (and aren't at Long Beach); so how do you think this ultimatum thing is going to work out?

Well, no Patron is no money.

No Oak means no new P2's from them

MM being the vets they are says something.....

The point is that it all points to a very untenable relationship with the sporting body. No new team shows up when all others are leaving. Simple logic really.

Speed-King · 12 Apr 2014, 08:19 (Ref:3391411)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Pla being up where he is means it's not completely the BoP being off.

Especially since ESM almost got gobbled up by the top GTLM-runners... surely, slowing all prototypes down to that level can't be the answer.

Danske · 12 Apr 2014, 12:11 (Ref:3391438)

Dalziel did bring out a red flag, stopping on course, so his qualifying isn't necessarily representative of anything, and that may have hurt the other P2 tires warming up as well.

wdave0 · 12 Apr 2014, 12:11 (Ref:3391439)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Especially since ESM almost got gobbled up by the top GTLM-runners... surely, slowing all prototypes down to that level can't be the answer.

Just shows that grunt counts most on this course. Point 'n squirt.

fieldodreams79 · 12 Apr 2014, 13:23 (Ref:3391455)

I never thought prototype sports cars belonged on tight street circuits anyways; this should have been a GT only round IMO. Alas, we have what we have and I am looking forward a good grilled burger, a cold beer and FS1 showing Untied Sportscar Series Racing on my TV, cause I don't have some crappy dish provider that can't keep their programming straight.

belt driven · 12 Apr 2014, 13:55 (Ref:3391462)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Especially since ESM almost got gobbled up by the top GTLM-runners... surely, slowing all prototypes down to that level can't be the answer.

When I consider that some of the 10-odd DPs that are missing since last year (2 8 Star, 2 Starworks, 2 Sahlens, Doran, 2nd MSR…) because they didn’t want to shell out for the upgrades; I sometimes wonder why they didn’t just slap a smaller restrictor on the P2s. I have to remind myself that Nascar probably valued the GT class more than P cars.

The reality in the US is that you will likely attract more new fans with doorslammers/silhouette/GT cars than you will with prototypes.

MoMedic9019 · 12 Apr 2014, 15:44 (Ref:3391496)

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Originally Posted by belt driven

When I consider that some of the 10-odd DPs that are missing since last year (2 8 Star, 2 Starworks, 2 Sahlens, Doran, 2nd MSR…) because they didn’t want to shell out for the upgrades;

It's not the upgrades.....a huge amount of it was unknown rules and lack of info. Lack of info leads to lack of money, lack of money leads to fewer entries.

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I sometimes wonder why they didn’t just slap a smaller restrictor on the P2s.

This is a ridiculous statement. They did. How small do you want it?

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I have to remind myself that Nascar probably valued the GT class more than P cars.

Probably?? LOL. Did. They assumed porting the GTE class into Grand Am 2.0 would improve their product significantly. What they refuse to acknowledge is that nobody wants the DP, NASCAR rules or mindset, or spec anything. Microsoft, and Apple didn't approve the Grand Am 2.0 update, they wanted to leave it with 1.0----and few, if any of us fans wanted the update either...it's way too buggy, and the audio quality is horrendous. They did some weird southern thing with Hindaugh.

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The reality in the US is that you will likely attract more new fans with doorslammers/silhouette/GT cars than you will with prototypes.

NASCAR does the crashing thing....I assume that's what "doorslammers" are.

Silhouettes are fine when done right, though, I much prefer GT3, another missed boat by the no-brains trust at TUSC.

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