Any news on International Formula Masters? - Page 2

cds_uk · 11 Jan 2007, 22:55 (Ref:1812808)

Any idea when testing gets going, very interested to see who will turn up in the cars, what sort of budget is needed in comparison to GP2 / WSR / Euro3000 etc, i have a hunch Johan Charpilienne might get a run out in one of the Pole Services cars.

sceptic · 12 Jan 2007, 09:07 (Ref:1813049)

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I read somewhere that Rahel Frey will be in one of the Jenzer cars.

Yes, I heard that too.
Apparently David Epton will be her team-mate.

**bella** · 12 Jan 2007, 21:17 (Ref:1813618)

this 'ere car is quite possibly the ugliest single seater racing car i've seen this side of modern f1. ugh!!

Suze · 12 Jan 2007, 22:26 (Ref:1813678)

disagree, there was worse there today!

runshaw · 13 Jan 2007, 04:21 (Ref:1813807)

I think its a really nice looking car! Zip Ford is the ugliest single seater ever.

META4 · 13 Jan 2007, 12:28 (Ref:1813981)

OMBRA Racing enter the championship as well

from italiaracing

META4 · 16 Jan 2007, 00:04 (Ref:1816124)

Jva
Isr Charouz

hotwheels · 17 Jan 2007, 19:14 (Ref:1817835)

impressive the amount of teams, despite many of them can't be pointed as real top-ones. It looks like the new championship will really be something great... but they should have find a better name, IMO. GP3 would be better than this "international masters" or "FS2000" thing.

pimbopap · 20 Jan 2007, 22:26 (Ref:1820554)

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Originally Posted by cds_uk

Any idea when testing gets going, very interested to see who will turn up in the cars, what sort of budget is needed in comparison to GP2 / WSR / Euro3000 etc, i have a hunch Johan Charpilienne might get a run out in one of the Pole Services cars.

Testing starts 27-28 Jan in Vallelunga with Pantano driving, closed circuit.
About 65% of a mid WSR budget.

dave not neil · 21 Jan 2007, 13:11 (Ref:1820911)

so your saying around £350,000 mark for a season?

That seems a little optimistic. Given the car is £100,000 and the logistics involved to get them, and the equipment and crew shippped around the world!?

I'm not saying your wrong though, just questioning how this series is going to last if that kind of money is correct?!

META4 · 21 Jan 2007, 13:28 (Ref:1820919)

Shipped around the world???? the formula masters will run in europe only !!!! and there is no pit stops as i know so no need more than 2 mechanics on each car on a race week end

Formula Masters is just a "Big" formula3 but monotype so probably cheaper to run than a season in F3 Euroseries

pimbopap · 21 Jan 2007, 18:22 (Ref:1821075)

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Shipped around the world???? the formula masters will run in europe only !!!! and there is no pit stops as i know so no need more than 2 mechanics on each car on a race week end

Formula Masters is just a "Big" formula3 but monotype so probably cheaper to run than a season in F3 Euroseries

Sure it will be a lot cheaper than euro F3, an enigine rebuild is for about 10K euro each 4500 Km just for that...and no development costs, very restricted testing etc, moreover the car is a Tatuus not Dallara.

For Dave: the base for my 65% is not 540 K euro, I'm afraid you're a little behind with WSR budget the top of the market is now up to 800 K euro;
all in all the budgets around for the Masters go between 400 and 450 K.

hotwheels · 22 Jan 2007, 10:28 (Ref:1821587)

if it is more than 400k it won't last at all.

dave not neil · 22 Jan 2007, 17:04 (Ref:1821843)

Oh ok I didnt realise how much a WSR seat was now.

Last time I heard was that Carlin were after 600-650k, that was in September time!

Also didn't realise they were only running in Europe, I thought they were globetrotting with the WTCC.

I cant see it really taking off to much though, its not got the prestige to challenge F3, the car looks like a F.Renault but uglier (is that possible?!

), and the series name is just a joke.

We'll probably see just one or 2 guys slaughtering the field though, guys with talent but no money.

pimbopap · 22 Jan 2007, 22:09 (Ref:1822196)

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this 'ere car is quite possibly the ugliest single seater racing car i've seen this side of modern f1. ugh!!

Still waiting for a nice french single seater....R 27 apart (not really french).

pimbopap · 22 Jan 2007, 22:13 (Ref:1822201)

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if it is more than 400k it won't last at all.

Remember this:

2 races live on Eurosport at 12.30 Saturday at 13.00-13.30 on Sunday; big push on all Eurosport m'sport magazines; the big public on site of WTCC.
Deal of 5 years with eurosport.

In the end GP2 is nothing different from F3000 except for TV, but everybody knows the series and the teams can live very very well, there are now quite a few drivers paid to race...

hotwheels · 22 Jan 2007, 23:42 (Ref:1822281)

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Still waiting for a nice french single seater....R 27 apart (not really french).

The Tatuus is made in Italy, isn't it?

Go_For_Pole · 22 Jan 2007, 23:54 (Ref:1822294)

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In the end GP2 is nothing different from F3000 except for TV...

That's not quite on, is it?

But yeah, the Masters will do just fine and some other championships will suffer as a result.

pimbopap · 23 Jan 2007, 22:30 (Ref:1824142)

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The Tatuus is made in Italy, isn't it?

Yes, 10 Km from Monza circuit.

pimbopap · 23 Jan 2007, 22:31 (Ref:1824144)

[QUOTE=Go_For_Pole]That's not quite on, is it?

What exactly do you mean?

Go_For_Pole · 23 Jan 2007, 22:51 (Ref:1824166)

That GP2 is much more than a better televised F3000, sorry for my English if I made no sense

pimbopap · 24 Jan 2007, 19:19 (Ref:1824994)

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That GP2 is much more than a better televised F3000, sorry for my English if I made no sense

Don't worry about your english my understanding wasn't brilliant too...:what I meant is that the tecnical aspect has an importance for people like the ones that write here for 90% of the spectators is all about the colors of the cars, do you really think that all the people watching on the national TVs know that all the car are the same??? just to make an extreme example....you should try to sit on a F1 grandstand and just listen to people: like 4 years ago I had the chance to hear about carburettors.....
F Renault 2.0 if it was on national TV would be a big event just because overtaking and crashes even if the car is tecnically very low level.

sceptic · 24 Jan 2007, 19:30 (Ref:1825005)

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F Renault 2.0 if it was on national TV

In the UK, it is on national TV.

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would be a big event just because overtaking and crashes even if the car is tecnically very low level.

But it's not a big event, and there's not a lot of overtaking either.

pimbopap · 25 Jan 2007, 22:50 (Ref:1826065)

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In the UK, it is on national TV.

But it's not a big event, and there's not a lot of overtaking either.

You're luky to have so much racing on TV; anyway Ok maybe I went a bit too extreme, I know that the atmosfere of a F1 GP is almost unique and sure different to a normal national meeting, but in the end F 3000 was in the same situation, the teams were more or less the same: don't tell me that GP2 is better because of the car: this is NOT true, races are nice because they are on an immediate comparison to the mega boring GPs beside inverted grid.....

All in all what I wanted to say is that this new series with the push of Eurosport will make FR 2.0, F3 and maybe WSR weaker.

META4 · 28 Jan 2007, 21:34 (Ref:1828121)

Pantano drove the car at Vallelunga without any problem from the official version

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