Interesting Item on New Chassis in Indy Star (Merged)

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

It's pretty intriguing right now, what is really going on. None of us on the outside knows crap.

No I'd say that it is more there is no consensus or courage and probably no real news to report. Most are probably going to bend over and grab their ankles and take it in the bum anyways. Many of them are just expensive car rental agencies now for euro dweebie rich kids to play star for a day or for a thug dictators oil companies favorite sons and mistresses.

[JagtechOhio]

And of course Dallara doesn't have much to tell them. Scheduling, costs, and alternate supply opportunities all rely on plans for a chassis that hasn't been drawn yet.

Because there are no IRL specs for the chassis yet.

Because there is no Technical Director in place yet, or committee to work with Dallara to provide guidelines.

Cavin said last night that some people had been interviewed for the Tech job, and it remains open.

And all of this happens when?

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

There was a note about this in last Monday's "pit Pass" in the Star.

Larry Curry called the meeting a joke, because Dallara can't tell them jack at this point what the "real" costs of racing this new chassis will be in terms of spares, etc., and Tim Cindric said that he couldn't possibly comment on anything until IndyCar actually comes up with a set of concrete rules and regs.

Cavin did lead off that item by saying that the team leaders were very unhappy with the meeting and it did not go well at all because there were no answers to the obvious questions that eams have about this new chassis...

Well remember the ultra low, low price along with the taxpayer funded discount for Indy! centric teams?

It's very possible that it's the same thing Reynard used to do. Cheap chassis and then eye watering parts prices. Last I saw of the Dallara factory, they don't seem to be hurting for money. With the astounding rate of crushed crapwagons, especially on ovals, they seem to have done well.

[Tim Northcutt]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

And of course Dallara doesn't have much to tell them. Scheduling, costs, and alternate supply opportunities all rely on plans for a chassis that hasn't been drawn yet.

Because there are no IRL specs for the chassis yet.

Because there is no Technical Director in place yet, or committee to work with Dallara to provide guidelines.

Cavin said last night that some people had been interviewed for the Tech job, and it remains open.

And all of this happens when?

Agreed

It is time for the main players to either take a dump or get off the crapper.

[Rgms320]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

With the astounding rate of crushed crapwagons, especially on ovals, they seem to have done well.

The least they could do, then, would be to sponsor KVR.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

there is no Technical Director in place yet

Now there is: Tony Cotman has been named project manager for the 2012 car rules development.

[marc sproule]

http://www.gordonkirby.com/categorie..._is_no249.html

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by marc sproule

http://www.gordonkirby.com/categorie..._is_no249.html

Lots of good stuff in there.

[wnut]

I have no faith in the opinion of anyone who backs the Delta wing car.

Sorry there is just no way that thing has any place on a racing circuit!
An economy run on a straight road maybe but a racing circuit - never!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Interesting, what Lisles had to say about the cost of F1 in relation to sponsoring F1 or IndyCars.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Interesting, what Lisles had to say about the cost of F1 in relation to sponsoring F1 or IndyCars.

They could always run the races in two separate heats like they do in British Touring Cars, V8 Supercars in Oz and WSB!

[JagtechOhio]

Quite a coincidence you should mention that, wnut...

Eddie Gossage will have a party tomorrow to announce the Texas Motor Speedway plans for the 2011 Nascar and IndyCar events at his track. It's entirely possible that an IndyCar event could be split into twin races.

Day/ night twin 200's, it they used my schedule. With a "Goo Goo Dolls" concert in between.

Or he has some other cockamamie plan devised. We'll see.

[wnut]

I quite like the idea of two heats.
You get the entertainment of two races and it avoids the boredom
of a long drawn out race if there is a first lap accident involving half the field.

I am not so sure of the GooGoo dolls concert in between.
Another race in between for a different - preferably feeder category would be good.

How do you feel about 2 races Jagtech?

Still think getting rid of aero would help the racing in all open wheeler categories, and big capacity, F5000 I thought worked rather well!

[JagtechOhio]

wnut, here you go. I wrote this in April, there are a lot of American baseball references that might make it a bit cloudy if you are not familiar with that sport's culture.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-lets-play-two

[wnut]

Originally Posted by JagtechOhio

wnut, here you go. I wrote this in April, there are a lot of American baseball references that might make it a bit cloudy if you are not familiar with that sport's culture.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-lets-play-two

Thanks Jagtech - my thinking exactly.
The split event and back up program offer far better value for everyone.
Having regional and local racing on the program pulls their crowds to the events and exposes them to the crowds that the big name series draws.

The first GP I ever attended featured
Morning warm up for all categories including GP cars beginning at 7:00am
Morning Warm up of lesser categories
GP Morning Warm up
Production Car Race 15 laps
Production Motorcycles 15 Laps
Racing Motorcycles 15 Laps
Formula Vee 15 Laps
Formula Ford 15 Laps
GP Drivers Parade
Grand Prix 80 Laps
Modified Production Cars 15 Laps

In this they used to have a lap of honour for the podium drivers,
so everyone knew what they looked like. Entry for kids under 15 was
free.

All the local categories had massive fields because it was the biggest crowd they would ever run in front of -100 000 plus spectators. Happy sponsors!

It was a pretty good carnival where there was plenty to watch, and did not cost an arm and a leg.

Later the only event on the day was the Grand Prix - the quality of the GP racing was dropping off, and there was nothing to see before or after the GP.

We wonder why racing is dying - go figure!

[JagtechOhio]

Wow, that's what we call "bang for your buck" over here...cracking good value!

Some weekends here are still good packages...IndyCar/ ALMS/ Indy Lights made for a good weekend at the last race.

Some of the oval weekends are not as active, though.

[Purist]

Well, the FIA does only permit certain categories of cars clearance to run on ovals, and at least to some extent, rightly so. Some cars just aren't built for it, and would be suicide to race on a big speedway.

P.S. I hope Road America becomes a combined weekend again, so we can see the open-wheelers there again, and so the ALMS goes back to the long race into dusk on Saturday.

[JagtechOhio]

Let me know when the FIA starts sanctioning Nascar Camping World Truck Series events. And ARCA races.

Better yet, don't bother.

[JagtechOhio]

Anybody interested in speculating about what the team owners are doing?

I think Lisle explained where some of the owners stood, since before the Delta was publicly announced.

What do you think they are going to do now?

[Purist]

Jag, NASCAR machines ARE on that FIA approved list for use on ovals. Appendix O of the technical regulations mentions this. I believe it's Appendix K that gives all the different classifications of race vehicles, and that may have a few more particulars on the matter.

[JagtechOhio]

I'm too pitch sensitive to listen to whining.

[Purist]

And where exactly did I whine?

I made a statement, you countered, and I told you where you could find more information. Sheesh!

[JagtechOhio]

This is becoming a personal issue that no one else has an interest in. Including me.

[Purist]

I didn't post anything deserving of this snippy attitude, period. So give it a rest.

If you're aggravated because MS is giving you difficulties, take it up with him, or take a break from the forum voluntarily. Don't take it out on other people though.

[Tim Northcutt]

I just got back from vacation, guys...don't get personal...Like both of you...

Do it via PM, but leave it off the boards.