2010 Engines T.B.A.

[Wrex]

While looking at the latest Entry list for 2010 I noticed The 2 Red Bull teams and Brawn don't have an engine contract next season. I assume that's because they are not contracted to anyone yet, but is movement likely?

Brawn are obviously happy (even if Macca aren't), RBR seem to have stopped complaining about the Renault donk this year and STR don't have many options.

What's the likely senario with these guys? Is Cosworth an option at 20,000 RPM?

[Mr V]

I think all 3 will stay where they are. With regards to Cosworth, aren't they supplying all 3 of the new teams? Not sure they'd have the capacity for a 4th (STR).

[Marbot]

There is the option of new teams running 'third cars' (see BBCs Luca vid http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8117712.stm ),which then takes away a bit of pressure from 'Cossie'.

[jab]

Red Bull were considering switching to Mercedes for next season

[BootsOntheSide]

Mercedes are so closely tied in with McLaren that I can't see them wanting to supply a team which is humiliating the works team at present. It depends on how promising their respective 2010 cars look in a few months, but Brawn might have to find an alternate partner. Renault's engines are good enough for Red Bull now, and Ferrari suit Toro Rosso's branding pretty well, so I don't see those two changing.

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Mercedes are so closely tied in with McLaren that I can't see them wanting to supply a team which is humiliating the works team at present.

I thought Mercedes-Benz were supplying engines to Brawn GP.

[Adam43]

I don't think Mercedes will stop supplying Brawn because they are beating McLaren if that is the suggestion. It seems Mercedes want to supply customer teams, to keep High Performance engines ticking over. And better to supply Brawn than, er, Force India. Mercedes have also got behind the need to supply other teams too.

Red Bull are very happy with the Renault, much of the deficencies of the engine have gone away after the upgrades.

I suspect that neither of these top two (!) teams will change.

The new boys, well we shall see how that pans out, but the Cossie looks good for them.

Are we going back to 20,000rpm, is that decided now? Or has it been lost in the last round of changes?

[Peralta]

Maybe Aston Martin can supply one of those teams. It's the only way Richards will be involved in F1 now that the door has been shut

[Peralta]

Maybe Honda supplies just the engines for Brawn. That would be good for F1

[Inigo Montoya]

Wow, a thread that actually is interesting! Have I traveled back in time to the 10-10th's of years past?

Anyhow I think Mercedes will supply engines to both Red Bull and Brawn for next year. When does the McLaren Mercedes deal end?

It was a rumour that this was the reason Red Bull were siding with FOTA, rather than Max and his Cosworth standardized engine joke. Not sure about the other ones.

Adam, I thought they lost the 20k rpm in the last round of changes. Anyhow, who knows what Max agreed to when Luca, and the rest of FOTA blackmailed him earlier this week.

[Yannick]

Might it be possible that Red Bull Industries want the same engines for their two teams? How about a Toro Rosso-Renault?

[Scotracer]

Originally Posted by Peralta

Maybe Honda supplies just the engines for Brawn. That would be good for F1

They would need some serious work. That engine was horrendous - did sound awesome though

[ECW Dan Selby]

Was it not the car design that was fundimentally flawed and not the engine, as such..?

Selby

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Was it not the car design that was fundimentally flawed and not the engine, as such..?

Selby

Both BGP drivers commented on how smooth and predictable the Mercedes engine is compared to their prior Honda unit.

[Flat12-Aircool]

Originally Posted by Marbot

There is the option of new teams running 'third cars' (see BBCs Luca vid http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8117712.stm ),which then takes away a bit of pressure from 'Cossie'.

And given that Ferrari have made noises about keeping both their drivers for another year, it also gives a potential opportunity for Alonso to move to Ferrari next year.

[JABWOA]

Re: Cosworth donks - as they are using "2006" designed engines they are going to be slower and thirstier than the newer designed engines so talks are continuing as to what RPM limit will be imposed to ensure some competiveness. Cosworth aparently are not going to design a new engine due to time available.

Mercedes will supply anyone as long as they get money for them... Plus they were the first to offer cheaper engines back when new teams were bandied about by the FIA (which only Dave Richards accepted and then rejected when customer cars where ditched.)

[Chiefy]

I think Mercedes will continue to supply Force India. It's an important deal for F1's true minnows of today, because some McLaren personnel are now working with it to improve competitiveness and results. This is not just hiring a powerplant, like it would from Ferrari or even Cosworth, but a concerted effort to aid Force India's development in Formula One. Dr Mallya won't let this deal fall apart.

As for the rest - who knows? Cosworth engines are linked to the three newcomers, but if I had a team and needed a new engine, I'd probably be looking at a technical partnership with BMW. Perhaps I could even score a free driver in Nick Heidfeld!

[neiltb]

It's just as well for Nick the races are on a Sunday.

I think Brawn will want to keep the merc engine, it has proven itself without doubt and as long as Ross can still pay the bills I'm sure MB will be fine with it too.

With the customer elements coming in I imagine both red bull teams would be able to be all but identical including engine so I could see that happening too.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Are we going back to 20,000rpm, is that decided now? Or has it been lost in the last round of changes?

It has been lost in the last round of changes.Part of the err...last agreement was that the teams would compete with the same rules.But anything can happen between now and next March!