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Once you give a supplier a monopoly on a component, expect monopoly pricing and profiteering! That is why the chassis should be manufactured to a standard blueprint by anybody that wants to make it. P.S. If the chassis was manufactured to a common blue print it would provide greater access to reasonably priced chassis and components which would hopefully lead to a world wide resurgence of single seat racing cars. F1 at last doing a service to the wider racing community! Last edited by wnut; 2 Jun 2015 at 23:00. |
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I do remember the ICONIC stuff and the idea Lola had for a unified tub/moncoque. Regarding an open source design... I like the idea of open source in general, but in a case like this, someone has to get paid to create the design. So with a customer car, nobody pays you for the design, they pay for the final product. If the design is open, only those building to the design make money.
The alternatives is either to pay someone to create a complete design and open it up, or you create a tight spec (mount points, here, here and here) and then each design is owned by the constructor but are effectively interchangeable. But you still then have N number of constructors creating very similar solutions and that is not efficient. I think the idea of a spec or open design is interesting and could work in a racing series, but IMHO, it is an anathema to what F1 is. Richard |
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The independent teams are accusing the big four teams of a power grab with their plans for customer cars. There have been no attempts to cut costs from the strategy group.
There was a meeting at the Canada GP of the big four who did not include who Williams and Force India also on the strategy group. The meeting was to do some more planning on how customer cars would be brought in. Bernie's idea of a standard customer car is not on their agenda. I suspect we are going to see a big fight between the top teams and the others (-STR). It will be interesting to see what Williams does as they could be very influential to the eventual outcome. At the moment they seem to be keeping their cards very close to their chest. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119351 |
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I can't help but to see some parallels to what is happening with respect to prototype racing. You have a very healthy top tier in the LMP1 (ignoring the mostly non-existent non hybrid private teams for the moment) and a second lower tier in LMP2 that in the near future is being forced into a using a limited number of officially sanctioned "customer cars" and will not be allowed to create their own cars. In short those who are serious and well funded run in the top class and all of the rest play in a separate and well controlled sandbox in which the toys are provided.
I would like to see some journalist ask some questions around if the top teams (and FOM) plan on keeping the special constructors club very private with large and new hurdles to move into the top tier. Richard |
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Interesting times indeed and the world awaits some detail of how it might all work. The small teams only have two options if this plan were to come to fruition, get out or play the game. What they should do is leave it as late as possible, close shop and walk away.
On Richard's point, why is there no strong investigative journalism in and around F1? Why are the hard questions that should be asked never asked, is it because all the journos are afraid that they will be sent to Coventry by the powers that be in the top teams and management? In other words they tell it how the management and teams want it and do what they are told. Just about everything we read is I suspect through press release passed as suitable for publication by those putting it out. The whole thing is highly incestuous in my view and the Autosport story is a good example. No one has gone to the top teams independently and got some answers that I can see. |
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I'm all for customer cars, but the recent plans by the "big four" are really bad for the sport, should they come to fruition. Worse, it seems like Bernie Ecclestone is losing control over his own sport and yet doesn't seem to care that much about it anymore. Because if the big 4 get their way, we'd have an open-wheel version of the DTM: Big manufacturer teams and semi-private teams that aren't really allowed to compete for the victories.
Then again, it's no wonder that the big teams want to keep potential suppliers like Dallara out of F1. That'd mean more teams that aren't under their thumb, oh the horrors! Maybe we'll see a repeat of the 2009 fiasco some time in the future... |
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This, to me at least, was a stunning factoid:
"Jordan is one of only two teams that have entered F1 in the last quarter of a century to have won a Grand Prix, the other being Toro Rosso." from http://www.pitpass.com/53979/A-Strategic-Mess |
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http://www.grandprix.com/ft/anyone-seen-the-fia.html
" the bureaucrats in Brussels, who are starting to believe the Strategy Group is an illegal body as it may violate competition laws by discriminating against the five teams that are not part of it." When is the European Court going to get involved, F1 seems to violate every competition regulation in the Eurozone rules? |
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Don't forget about Stewart GP. (wasn't Toro Rosso formally Minardi?)
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