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Old 26 May 2011, 19:57 (Ref:2886379)   #1
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It is to be decided tomorrow if Team Lotus can still use the 'Lotus' name in F1.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91754

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Old 26 May 2011, 20:20 (Ref:2886392)   #2
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Old 26 May 2011, 20:28 (Ref:2886395)   #3
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Old 26 May 2011, 23:19 (Ref:2886476)   #4
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Old 27 May 2011, 07:09 (Ref:2886549)   #6
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"The judge is expected to issue his verdict on whether Team Lotus is allowed to use the 'LOTUS' name in F1".

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"The judge is expected to issue his verdict on whether Team Lotus is allowed to use the 'LOTUS' name in F1".

Let's try again shall we.
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Old 27 May 2011, 07:20 (Ref:2886554)   #8
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Move to America and they could be Team LotUS
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Or stay in Europe and be Team NotUS?
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When BBQ it make sure it's on the right heat at the back of the grid.
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Old 27 May 2011, 12:01 (Ref:2886664)   #14
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When BBQ it make sure it's on the right heat at the back of the grid.
It should go well with a nice wine (courtesy of Trulli)....or some hydraulic fluid, which can give a reasonably good 'flambe' effect, such as we saw in Singapore, last season.
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Ouch... the taste will be "oil on the flames" !
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Old 27 May 2011, 20:42 (Ref:2886883)   #18
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Nice....But looks like they lost on the REAL key issues I think! Thats why they make appeal, otherwise it wouldn´t make much sense if you´re the big winner, wouldn´t it? So -at least for the insiders up to now - there is only one Team Lotus left in F1. If Tony is patient, he should purchase the GL in a certain period of time.
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Nice....But looks like they lost on the REAL key issues I think! Thats why they make appeal, otherwise it wouldn´t make much sense if you´re the big winner, wouldn´t it? So -at least for the insiders up to now - there is only one Team Lotus left in F1. If Tony is patient, he should purchase the GL in a certain period of time.
The judgement means nobody's won. Which means that both parties have lost ! Remember a Mark is only of any value if it can be protected and controlled... and as it stands now, both parties see the other as an infringer. Coexistence here is a nonsense. I can't see it going anywhere other than to appeal.
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This is the BBC's take on it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/13572332.stm

However there seems to be a contradiction; according to the BBC article,

"Team Lotus were allowed to continue running under that name while Group Lotus will keep the black and gold livery, but cannot use the famous badge in F1."

but according to the Judgement Summary on Group Lotus's website,

"Group Lotus has goodwill associated with the name “Lotus” in Formula 1 and is free to compete in the sport under that name using the Lotus roundel"

Somewhat confusing.
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So from what I can gather, nothing's really changed other than Tony's had to pay a big sum to Group?

And Group are going to push further in the future...?

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So after all that ridiculous bickering both teams will be called exactly what they are called now?
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So after all that ridiculous bickering both teams will be called exactly what they are called now?
Basically, both sides failed in their attempts to sue the other lol.

From what I remember of the original case, Group took legal action against Team for 1) Breach of license and 2) Use of 'Team Lotus', which Group felt they had the right to.

Team responded by claiming Group were trying to pass themselves off as Team Lotus when they don't own that trademark.

The only thing that stuck was Group's claim of breach of license. The judge ruled that Team Lotus belongs to Fernandes and he may use it, but also that Group Lotus have the right to use the Lotus name on its own and the right to the black and gold livery if they wish, and aren't passing themselves off as Team Lotus.

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Group Lotus are "seeking leave to appeal"
How is the issue of use of the Lotus brand ever going to get resolved? If the ruling states that Team Lotus are allowed to be called Team Lotus and Group Lotus are allowed to use plain old Lotus, how is anybody supposed to decide in future that one of them can't use the name that has been judged to be 'theirs'? Presumably as things stand, Group still can't have their own team and call their chassis a Lotus because F1's rules don't allow it, and I guess that's what they're trying to change, but you would think as part of the court case that Tony Fernandes & co have proved to the judge's satisfaction that they do indeed own the rights to use Team Lotus, so Group would have to go some to convince an appeal court otherwise...this is a bit much for my brain on a Friday afternoon.
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