Kostecki Out For Bathurst & AGP, then BACK for Taupo

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Being a fan does not mean somebody cannot be a good journalist.

It certainly makes you question their ability to be impartial.

Originally Posted by Jack65

What do you want, media outlets just to make up stuff to create conflict? Leave that to the National Enquirer or Women's Weekly

Certainly don’t want anything made up, but we also don’t want the truth buried or the journos not wanting to step on Supercars toes

Originally Posted by Jack65

So potentially they may turn a blind eye if something unfavourable involves a team that they share a common relationship with, but that is the way of the world, they are unlikely to crap in their own nest.

That is precisely the problem with Australian Motorsport media and Supercars aligned media!

Originally Posted by Jack65

.Presumably being in reference to V8 Sleuth publishing event programmes. Doesn't that comprise its editorial integrity?

It most definitely comprises their integrity.

They are as impartial as anyone working as a Supercars Media “journalist”

[Ares]

If you wanted proof you just look at the way Supercars treated SVG all last year. **** all over the guy in all honesty. The superstar driver of the series treated like an ******* by the Supercar owners and management. They pretty much gave him the middle finger at his final round. If the number one star NRL or the like player was being benched or played out of position all year because the club didn't like something he was doing. The press and tv commentators would be calling it out bigtime. SVG, crickets. But what Supercars have shown to all the other drivers with their actions, is it doesn't matter how good you are or big you are in the sport. If you don't toe the party line, we will shut you down and shut you out. The category has zero respect for you. More drivers I'm sure are going to see Supercars as a stepping stone for better things.

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by one five five

It certainly makes you question their ability to be impartial.

Most sports journalists have at least a degree of interest in the sport they report on. What's the alternative, have somebody who has no real interest who just treats it as a job?

Originally Posted by one five five

Certainly don’t want anything made up, but we also don’t want the truth buried or the journos not wanting to step on Supercars toes

You carry on as if journalists only write what Supercars wants them to. Yet we have had a clear case this week where the polar opposite has happened. Unless you believe Speedcafe's story on Kostecki was written with Supercars blessing.

Originally Posted by one five five

That is precisely the problem with Australian Motorsport media and Supercars aligned media!

That is the way of the world. News Corp or Nine Entertainment aren't going to go in hard on any controversary that Harvey Norman might end up in given the pages of advertising it has in its newspapers.

Originally Posted by one five five

It most definitely comprises their integrity.

Don't see any evidence of it.

Originally Posted by one five five

They are as impartial as anyone working as a Supercars Media “journalist”

Given that seemingly nobody currently reporting on Supercars comes up to scratch, who should be reporting?

Originally Posted by Ares

More drivers I'm sure are going to see Supercars as a stepping stone for better things.

Most won't. Apart from McLaughlin, who else has gone on from a full time Supercars drive to have a successful overseas career?

[Ares]

Well two of the biggest stars of the sport in resent times have both gone. And other driver more than ever are talking about wanting to go also. How many stars- Champions can they afford to lose a year? And you start looking like a second rate series

[Jack65]

Plenty may want to go, but how many will get the opportunity? For most Supercars will be the pinnacle of their careers. SVG and McLaughlin were both heads and shoulders above the rest of the field and had sustained periods of dominance, the other names mentioned like Kostecki and Waters are not at that level. Before that you have to go back to Paul Morris, Jason Bright and Craig Lowndes who did single seasons in Indy Lights and F3 over 20 years ago. Obviously there was Marcos Ambrose as well, but that was 18 years ago.

[GTRMagic]

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Still cant understand a racer not wanting to race !

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Interesting to see who liked that Instagram post. Nine members of the 2024 grid liked it, including a couple of Erebus alumni.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Interesting to see who liked that Instagram post. Nine members of the 2024 grid liked it, including a couple of Erebus alumni.

And the former king of the 888 squad, SvG’s ‘23 teammate, SvG’s ‘24 replacement, Mr K’s potential ‘24 teammate, owners of Penrite Grove Racing, Captain Boost, DJR’s ‘25 prodigy, all showed support with a post like, while the two blokes who helped create and execute the transition of Mr Van Gisbergen into Tekno commented as well.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Plenty may want to go, but how many will get the opportunity? For most Supercars will be the pinnacle of their careers. SVG and McLaughlin were both heads and shoulders above the rest of the field and had sustained periods of dominance, the other names mentioned like Kostecki and Waters are not at that level. Before that you have to go back to Paul Morris, Jason Bright and Craig Lowndes who did single seasons in Indy Lights and F3 over 20 years ago. Obviously there was Marcos Ambrose as well, but that was 18 years ago.

You made my point with the first five words of your post. Drivers are starting to look past Supercars. Even young Brock said his focus is Supercars right now, we will see what happens in the future. He's just a kid who hasn't won anything yet but is not looking at Supercars as the end game. If he wins the championship this year people will say, if Kostecki, Scotty and SVG were there he wouldn't be champion. If the superstars keep leaving, it waters down your series, setting your bar lower in the process.
Back to the media. The only person who calls out Supercars for their crap is Roland. Where were the real media last year at Bathurst, Supercars telling the world the cars were all hitting 300 kph all day. Knowing full well not a word of truth would be mentioned. Most cars were in the mid 280s most of the day, a few hitting a low 290 at times. We had to sit through that rubbish over just about every lap all day. All media companies should be stand alone companies like they were at one time. Their owner now tells them what to print. Watch your six o'clock news tonight, most of it is lies and bullshit.

[Kingair]

Brodie to go to Mercedes in 2025, replacing Ferrari bound Lewis!

[HDTVKSS]

Notice that Betty has changed her facebook profile header yesterday from the championship pic to her looking off into the distance...

if hes got health issues as claimed, they arent exactly giving him "family" style public support.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

(The podcast not DSO)

Is "The Chin", Timmy Slade?

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Kingair

Brodie to go to Mercedes in 2025, replacing Ferrari bound Lewis!

If only he could fit the cockpit

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by HDTVKSS

Notice that Betty has changed her facebook profile header yesterday from the championship pic to her looking off into the distance...

Yes I noticed that yesterday

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by Ares

You made my point with the first five words of your post. Drivers are starting to look past Supercars.

Australian drivers have always aspired to go and play in a bigger fishpond, be it F1, Indy or NASCAR. But history suggests only the special ones will get the opportunity, hence we have had only three go from Supercars in the last 20 years. Other categories aren't going to suddenly plunder Supercars for run of the mill drivers.

[Umai Naa]

Shaw and Partners also gone.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Shaw and Partners also gone.

Here

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Ares

You made my point with the first five words of your post. Drivers are starting to look past Supercars.

In the past it's been seen, I think, as a bit of a specialised backwater. Top drivers from around the world turned up at Bathurst and struggled a bit. Now it's been demonstrated by Mssrs van Gisbergan and McCloughlin that skills learned in Supercars are very much transferrable to the American racing scene and to GTs and perhaps their horizons have been widened. To me, that's a good thing if SC are seen as a career stepping stone and not the end of the cul-de-sac.

[Jack65]

McLaughlin slams Supercars over Kostecki statement

Supercars and Erebus are going to need to get their act together and tell the world what is really going on. Seemingly what the problem is common knowledge, yet no one is prepared to publicly say. The attempt to defuse with a vague press release that created more questions than it provided answers, has just poured petrol on the fire.

[TWRv12]

Originally Posted by Jack65

McLaughlin slams Supercars over Kostecki statement

Supercars and Erebus are going to need to get their act together and tell the world what is really going on. Seemingly what the problem is common knowledge, yet no one is prepared to publicly say. The attempt to defuse with a vague press release that created more questions than it provided answers, has just poured petrol on the fire.

This when Supercars management if they were any good, would be wheeling and dealing behind the scenes to get Brodie on the grid... if they really had too, couldn't they could sell a REC or two...

[GTRMagic]

Team name change and/or ownership structure change imminent?

Seems odd to have a fan page change its name by request/demand after 5 years or so of it being that name.
That said, latest posts are about whether the ‘army’ will renew their Erebus Motorsport memberships..

[Just Do It!]

Step up, PAdderton, maybe.

[GTRMagic]

[Ares]

Originally Posted by Woolley

In the past it's been seen, I think, as a bit of a specialised backwater. Top drivers from around the world turned up at Bathurst and struggled a bit. Now it's been demonstrated by Mssrs van Gisbergan and McCloughlin that skills learned in Supercars are very much transferrable to the American racing scene and to GTs and perhaps their horizons have been widened. To me, that's a good thing if SC are seen as a career stepping stone and not the end of the cul-de-sac.

I don't know of a sport that benefits from no longer being seen as the pinnacle. Or a sport that benefits from losing its best and brightest talent. The sport has traded off the legacy of the icon drivers who battled it out year after year. Imagine the likes of Brock, Moffat, Whincup all moving offshore early in their careers. When you have things like the golden age of a sport. You had the very best talent in the same place at the same time, lifting the bar to new heights. Ali, Fraser, Norton, foreman for instance.

SVG knew he could foot it with NASCAR drivers before Chicago, he's raced with and against them in the past and been faster. I think if Shane was still in love with Supercars he'd still be there. He had a guts full of Supercars its self. I think the series has been in a bit of a low point over the last few years. Bathurst last year is a case in point, these soft tyre races are rubbish. Driving a 7/tenths saving tyres is a borefest, but Skaife loves soft tyres. So, we get more soft tyre races. Roland wants better tyres on the cars so the drivers can push harder longer, so do I.

Imagine this years series with SVG vs Mclaughlin vs Kostecki also fighting off Stanaway, Feeney, Payne and brown. A promotors dream.
Or Waters vs Mostert... Not so much.

I don't think not having these drivers in the series is a benefit to Supercars or its fans in Australia or NZ.

Baseball is an example of a sport that was once the pinnacle of sport in the USA, it was a religion, players were worshiped like gods. Players like Babe Ruth for instance are still famous today and talking about in baseball circles 100 years after he was playing. Mantle, DiMaggio. Players of a sport I don't watch or am interested in, played before I was born, even before my parents were born. I know the names because they were iconic players of a once iconic sport. Baseball is no longer that pinnacle sport in the States today. I couldn't name one player from today, probably many Americains couldn't either. The sport dropped away, lost it appeal and the players are not the big stars they used to be.

A sport needs the best talent competing. I'm not sure if the Premier League band all foreign players tomorrow the football fans in the UK would be pleased? would the TV pay the same money to see a bunch of pasty poms kicking a ball around? 66 Woolley 66