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Old 1 Jun 2014, 00:38 (Ref:3413415)   #251
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who cares about Webber, he is so last year, this is about a rookie schooling a 4 time world champ (early days, but we'll still claim it) onya Ricciardo!
Seb had owned Ricciardo in Monaco when RBR deliberately broke his turbo.
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Old 1 Jun 2014, 09:30 (Ref:3413602)   #252
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Old 1 Jun 2014, 09:34 (Ref:3413604)   #253
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Looks like @sebvettelnews are taking this season well then.
All sides of this debate have time on their hands and chips on their shoulders. I'm sure the drivers themselves couldn't give a flying **** about any of this.
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Old 1 Jun 2014, 10:04 (Ref:3413626)   #254
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What's the difference between a collision and an accident?
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A collision is a crash. An accident is when you start to consider incontinence pants as a feasible solution.
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A collision is a crash. An accident is when you start to consider incontinence pants as a feasible solution.
The most intelligent and insightful post of this thread so far. I salute your wisdom.
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Old 2 Jun 2014, 04:17 (Ref:3414020)   #257
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Seb had owned Ricciardo in Monaco when RBR deliberately broke his turbo.
Ricciardo likes eating ice-cream though..
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Old 7 Jun 2014, 03:15 (Ref:3416426)   #258
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Vettel did test a Ferrari F1 car today after all.

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Old 9 Jun 2014, 02:38 (Ref:3417289)   #259
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Ricciardo has finished ahead of Vettel in all but one race (yes, I'm including Australia). That's very impressive. I wonder how Vettel feels about this season so far.

This is Vettel's second longest stretch without a victory. Before this stretch, Vettel won 9 straight GPs to end 2013. The longest winless stretch of his career was 9 races in mid-season 2012.

I was interested so I looked a bit deeper into Vettel's results against his teammates. So far in 2014, Ricciardo has finished ahead of Vettel 5 times. Here's what I found for previous years:
2014: 5 (so far)
2013: 1
2012: 7
2011: 3
2010: 7

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Old 9 Jun 2014, 07:25 (Ref:3417346)   #260
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Ricciardo has finished ahead of Vettel in all but one race (yes, I'm including Australia). That's very impressive. I wonder how Vettel feels about this season so far.

This is Vettel's second longest stretch without a victory. Before this stretch, Vettel won 9 straight GPs to end 2013. The longest winless stretch of his career was 9 races in mid-season 2012.

I was interested so I looked a bit deeper into Vettel's results against his teammates. So far in 2014, Ricciardo has finished ahead of Vettel 5 times. Here's what I found for previous years:
2014: 5 (so far)
2013: 1
2012: 7
2011: 3
2010: 7
Crashing down to earth here, have you factored in car problems?

I think Ricciardo has done a solid job this season, but he qualified 1 second slower than Vettel in a low grip Malaysia. Vettel is not the best in low grip conditions, so, whilst Ricciardo can race really well in the dry, this has to be a concern...

...but he can enjoy more champagne than Vettel right now!
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Old 9 Jun 2014, 09:52 (Ref:3417414)   #261
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I think Vettel was rightfully annoyed with his crew because after his 2nd stop he ended up after Ricciardo in what after qualifying and the first part of the race really should have been his victory, only with both Mercedes in trouble, of course.

That said, Ricciardo cannot be blamed for making the most out of the situation and driving courageously to his first F1 win!

Vettel was a good sport towards Ricciardo afterwards, and rightly so. Probably not so much with Rocky I dare to assume.
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Vettel was a good sport towards Ricciardo afterwards, and rightly so. Probably not so much with Rocky I dare to assume.
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Old 9 Jun 2014, 10:48 (Ref:3417447)   #263
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Not being able to pass Hulkenberg hurt him far worse than strategy, but maybe if they left him out for a couple of laps more... who knows.
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Crashing down to earth here, have you factored in car problems?
I didn't factor in car problems. I just looked at results. I always assume that car problems are split 50/50 between the drivers.

Both drivers have certainly had to work this year for their results.
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You sensed there would only be a few chances for a non-Mercedes driver to win this year, and Dan richly deserved it, for his impressive pace against a four-time champion who had the team wrapped around him, and his constant enthusiasm and smiling, even after his Australian misfortune. Vettel may have been quicker for much of this weekend, but that's an anomaly for 2014. I guess Seb's motivation has been hit by the car's performance, whereas for Ricciardo it's something of an open goal to establish his reputation.
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Vettel may have been quicker for much of this weekend, but that's an anomaly for 2014. .
It was an interesting weekend between them. I watched all the timing all weekend.

On Friday, Seb was a good .5 ahead all day, first time this year. Ricciardo said they had alot of work to do overnight.

On Saturday, from the first run in FP3, Dan seemed to be back to .2 or so ahead, pretty well every run (soft, super soft.) right through FP3, and again in Q1 and Q2 and the first run in Q3.
The second run in Q3 Seb had a blinder S2, (which he admitted too, saying he used a slightly different approach) and Dan said his was scrappy and thought he left .3 out there. And Seb was only .05 ahead.

90% of the time all year, Dan seems to have .1 to .2, all things being equal (which they never are, and we can't really tell!)
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I think Vettel was rightfully annoyed with his crew because after his 2nd stop he ended up after Ricciardo in what after qualifying and the first part of the race really should have been his victory, only with both Mercedes in trouble, of course.
According to Horner, Ricciardo's in lap was the difference - Vettel had a slowish out lap and Ricciardo's in lap was blistering.
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According to Horner, Ricciardo's in lap was the difference - Vettel had a slowish out lap and Ricciardo's in lap was blistering.
Given that Vettel was backed up behind HUlkenberg from lap 16 to lap 33, I think that Horner was just trying to support Ricciardo's victory, and it was a great drive!
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According to Horner, Ricciardo's in lap was the difference - Vettel had a slowish out lap and Ricciardo's in lap was blistering.
And you ignored the traffic, and also Vettel as the front-runner coming in later than Ric.
(Similar to Alonso undercutting Kimi all the time in Spain, but Rosberg entering before Hamilton because he is in the front, read whatever you like.)
Furthermore, when Vettel is faster, TR "Be Smart", when Ric is faster, suspiciously because he couldn't even close the gap in Shanghai, TR "Vettel, he is faster than you."
While Vettel suffers from loss of gear in Spain, retired in Australia, retired in Monaco, and a gearbox problem in Shanghai, Ric's car is problem-free. I would say that if they compete on a fair ground, Vettel is much more superior.
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And you ignored the traffic, and also Vettel as the front-runner coming in later than Ric.
(Similar to Alonso undercutting Kimi all the time in Spain, but Rosberg entering before Hamilton because he is in the front, read whatever you like.)
Furthermore, when Vettel is faster, TR "Be Smart", when Ric is faster, suspiciously because he couldn't even close the gap in Shanghai, TR "Vettel, he is faster than you."
While Vettel suffers from loss of gear in Spain, retired in Australia, retired in Monaco, and a gearbox problem in Shanghai, Ric's car is problem-free. I would say that if they compete on a fair ground, Vettel is much more superior.
You sound like a Mark Webber supporter from last year

To finish first, first you must finish. I dare say they get equal equipment. If Vettel is thrashing it to try to keep up with Ricciardo then that's his problem. Or maybe it's just down to luck/chance/whatever that he's had some issues this year. Good on Ricciardo for capitalising.
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and also Vettel as the front-runner coming in later than Ric.
err no. Vettel stopped first for the second stops (as he should, having preference).
The first stops they only brought in Ricciardo VERY early to try and get ahead of the Williams.
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Ric's car is problem-free.

Except for fuel flow sensor issues costing him 18 points in Melbourne, and a wheel falling off costing 10 points in Malaysia and 10 grid at the next race. Not quite "problem free"!
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You sound like a Mark Webber supporter from last year

To finish first, first you must finish. I dare say they get equal equipment. If Vettel is thrashing it to try to keep up with Ricciardo then that's his problem. Or maybe it's just down to luck/chance/whatever that he's had some issues this year. Good on Ricciardo for capitalising.
Yes, Vettel hasn't been very lucky but Ricciardo certainly surprised a lot of people including me. It should be added that the RB is not only fragile, it also depends very much on qualifying success and the right strategy to win. As could be seen in Canada, there is hardly a way to get past Mercedes engined cars on the straight because the RB cars sacrifice so much straight line speed for superior cornering and are probably down on power anyway. Get stuck behind the Hulk for 15 laps and all the potential advantage in lap times is neutralised for that long. Much like last year when Webber got stuck in traffic while Vettel could capitalise on pole position and clean air. Minus the superior Mercedes, of course.
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I have to agree although Vettel has had some bad luck this season and problems with the car, Ricciardo has still been driving very well and even better that a lot of people would have thought. I think Vettel himself would acknowledge that Ricciardo is driving better at the moment.
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