ALMS Laguna Seca Result

rdjones · 7 Sep 2003, 21:56 (Ref:711227)

Yet another fantastic ALMS race has just finished and again it was a cracker. The top 10 looks like this:-

1 - Joest Audi
2 - Dyson #16
3 - Panoz #10
4 - Champion Audi
5 - Prodrive Ferrari #88
6 - American Sprit Racing
7 - Prodrive Ferrari #80
8 - Intersport #30
9 - Corvette #3
10 - Corvette #4

GT winner was again the Alex Job Porshe

BSchneiderFan · 7 Sep 2003, 23:48 (Ref:711301)

The title is marching Biela's way, I think. Which, while a shame for Lehto (he was ROBBED in '99), is OK by me; Frank deserves it.

gttouring · 8 Sep 2003, 00:03 (Ref:711308)

you know the whole title of a driver, seems so odd to me, of all racing Endurance racing and ALMS for sure is a team event, and should the spoils go to the Team (Joest or champion) not the driver-when it should be driverS any way, this is something I have been thinking about evrytime they showed the 'points race so far'

BSchneiderFan · 8 Sep 2003, 00:07 (Ref:711312)

I agree, to the extent that points should be awarded jointly; but I do think that there should (and must) be a drivers' title. That said, even in endurance racing, you do get situations in which one driver in a pairing is so obviously dominant, and therefore might potentially deserve a title.

vwpilot · 8 Sep 2003, 03:04 (Ref:711345)

Looks like the winning Prodrive car of Kox and Enge was excluded from the win. Full story can be found here. http://www.speedarena.com/artman/pub...cle_3369.shtml

gttouring · 8 Sep 2003, 14:57 (Ref:711921)

prodrive are protesting what exactly?
the other prodrive ferrari still wins, perhaps they should look at the car and see what the gaff is

Jack Man · 8 Sep 2003, 15:52 (Ref:711991)

It's pretty much standard practice to file a protest regardless of the infraction. Not filing is like an admission of guilt isn't it?

vwpilot · 8 Sep 2003, 16:51 (Ref:712075)

Here is a release with what prodrive has to say about it.

http://www.speedarena.com/artman/pub...cle_3377.shtml

According to them, the data collected by the ACO during the race showed it working properly and not a problem. Then during the test, the airbox failed, which caused it to fail the test.

They appealed because its failure during the test was not an advantage during the race. Apparantly though the appeal was overruled at the track.

BSchneiderFan · 9 Sep 2003, 00:16 (Ref:712523)

Didn't one of the BMS Scuderia Italia Ferraris have an airbox problem for which it was temporarily excluded? Is this a design problem?

Hauptmann6 · 9 Sep 2003, 00:38 (Ref:712536)

Quote:

Originally posted by BSchneiderFan
I agree, to the extent that points should be awarded jointly;

They are this year. I think Frank was in a different car for one race this year so Werner has fewer points.

If both drivers are in the same car all year they will have the same point total now.

the Farouk · 9 Sep 2003, 00:45 (Ref:712539)

I was at the race. Weather was perfect and it was so nice to see the Ferraris kicking Corvettes Ass. We were next to some Corvette fans and we were shameless in our gloating.

RacingManiac · 9 Sep 2003, 03:58 (Ref:712611)

The problem is they have no way to prove that it wasn't "failing" during the race.....the test is a test and it was made to do what its supposed to do...

Fab · 9 Sep 2003, 04:51 (Ref:712621)

Quote:

Originally posted by rdjones
Yet another fantastic ALMS race has just finished and again it was a cracker. The top 10 looks like this:-

1 - Joest Audi
2 - Dyson #16
3 - Panoz #10
4 - Champion Audi
5 - Prodrive Ferrari #88
6 - American Sprit Racing
7 - Prodrive Ferrari #80
8 - Intersport #30
9 - Corvette #3
10 - Corvette #4

GT winner was again the Alex Job Porshe

And another good result for Dyson : if this car really improved its reliability, it could do something in longer races...

Chevyguy · 9 Sep 2003, 07:13 (Ref:712705)

With the Michelins taking the GTS fight away, I found it quite boring. I would have said best result for Ferrari in the 21st century, but that's false now. On the track however, 1st and 2nd in GTS, 2nd in GT. The 2nd in GT is quite significant to the outlook of the 360 teams. The #80 car wasn't near as pretty after the race. lol

BSchneiderFan · 9 Sep 2003, 08:56 (Ref:712807)

Quote:

Originally posted by Hauptmann6
They are this year. I think Frank was in a different car for one race this year so Werner has fewer points.

If both drivers are in the same car all year they will have the same point total now.

No, Biela and Werner have driven together all season, except at Le Mans. But I think points are still awarded for pole, fastest lap, certain number of laps led and so on, which splits up the drivers. (Incidentally, Lehto and Herbert DID drive different cars at Sebring, hence Herbert mathematically cannot be champion.)

Does anyone else remember Emanuele Pirro leading a drivers' petition to simplify the ALMS points system (maybe at the end of 2001)? What the hell happened?

Thumper · 9 Sep 2003, 09:41 (Ref:712851)

Quote:

Originally posted by Chevyguy
With the Michelins taking the GTS fight away, I found it quite boring.

I wasn't there, more's the pity, but I gather things were more exciting in GT, where there was a great battle for second and third. Good to see the PK guys running so strongly (for Pirelli, as it happens). Robin and Alex seem to be a excellent pairing, so it might not be too long before we see the British squad on the podium.

paul-collins · 9 Sep 2003, 13:01 (Ref:713104)

BSF, they did simplify it. No more pole point, no more fast lap or most laps. It's strictly who's in the car that gets the points.

Most of the driver differences within cars come down to Sebring. F'rinstance, Herbert has fewer points than Lehto, because JJ finished second in the Audi, and Herbert was third in Bentley. Similarly, Andy Wallace has fewer points than Chris Dyson.

BSchneiderFan · 9 Sep 2003, 13:26 (Ref:713132)

But then how do Biela and Werner have different points totals, when they've driven together all year? I'm confused. They won together at Sebring with Philipp Peter.

Carousel · 9 Sep 2003, 14:16 (Ref:713183)

Biela and Werner both have 135 points, leading LMP 900.

26 Sebring
16 Road Atlanta
20 Sears Point
20 Trois-Rivieres
20 Mosport
13 Road America
20 Laguna Seca

Here's the link: http://www.imsaracing.net/2003/points/p900.pdf

Tim Northcutt · 9 Sep 2003, 20:35 (Ref:713530)

Also good to see American Spirit Racing working their way up the finishing order in recent races....keep pushing on, Lewis & Drissi!!!

**skycafe** · 10 Sep 2003, 02:34 (Ref:713725)

Tim, you are correct in pointing out American Spirt, they are doing pretty well. What I am now puzzled about is the lack of pace of the Intersport R & S. I expected more from them, and yet they seem to not match American Spirt's car, which is not as developed chassis, aero or engine. I won't buy too much about learning curve either. Maybe their old Lola had more life in it with different pilots?

Hauptmann6 · 10 Sep 2003, 07:51 (Ref:713840)

Skycafe, the R&S is totaly new to them so I would think it would take more than one race to get them up to speed with it. That Lincoln is a totaly different animal than the Judd.

Liz · 18 Sep 2003, 00:40 (Ref:722576)

This was the Turn 2 Kaboom. Our photographer was on the spot.

Liz · 18 Sep 2003, 00:44 (Ref:722577)

And then she wrote:

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