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14 Sep 2003, 22:37 (Ref:718911)
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Time to change the Penalties.
After yesterdays race, a Stewards enquiry was held into #1 breaking rule D 3.6
I'm not going reveal the outcome but will have something to say in this thread when the outcome is made public. 
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14 Sep 2003, 22:51 (Ref:718922)
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hmm well if they strip #1 of a win what a joke. there were driving infringemanets left right and centre yesterday. you cant really tell me that it made a big difference. If the cars shutting itself down due to lack of voltage, what are yuo supposed to do?
I do wonder if the long saftey car period caused the battery to drain right down. |
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14 Sep 2003, 22:52 (Ref:718924)
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$7500.00 fine.
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14 Sep 2003, 23:06 (Ref:718933)
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Only 2500 dollars more then a member of the team standing on the pit wall one has to ask what is more dangerous.
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14 Sep 2003, 23:43 (Ref:718946)
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They were found to be in breach of D 3.6 I believe the only way you will make teams(ANY TEAM, not just HRT) follow the rules is to hit them where it hurts and that is deducting points off them. Let them keep their win on the day but if found to be in breach after the race, deduct points off them. This is not HRT bashing, I would have started the same Thread no matter which team was involved. What does everyone think? |
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15 Sep 2003, 00:09 (Ref:718960)
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From my point of view, Skaife has lost any credibility he had on safety issues from now on.
There is no way he can try and argue safety issues when he has turned off a safety related light. Regardless of whether he was having car problems - whatever - there is absolutely NO excuse for doing something like this. Maybe he should ask Michael Schumacher what it is like to run up the back of someone because you can't see them in the water spray! |
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15 Sep 2003, 00:23 (Ref:718968)
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 I found it rather hypocritical of him to want the race stopped because of his concerns for safety(fence), then go and turn his Rain Light off:confused: |
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15 Sep 2003, 00:26 (Ref:718969)
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If any other team infringed the safety rules they would get pinged big time Skaife has admitted he turned off his rain light and he also cost Jason Richards his race by turning into him and breaking Jason 's steering gear this was when Jason Clearly had an overlap He Skaife should be stripped of his win and I wish I knew how to recompense Jason Richards and Team Dynamik for they are the moral Victors
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15 Sep 2003, 00:26 (Ref:718970)
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The rule was broken no doubt, but at that stage of the race I don't think that visibility was that bad. Certainly not torrential like earlier in the race.
The rain light must be illuminated when a vehicle is on wet whether tyres, not necessarily when it it raining, or that is how I read it. So maybe the rule needs to be clarified so that it is both a tyre AND whether indicator. To me, the rule means that being out on slicks in the foul whether needs no rain light, which would be much more dangerous. |
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15 Sep 2003, 00:27 (Ref:718973)
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I might be being cynical, but do you think his desire to have the race stopped had anything to do with the fact that he was leading and his car was having problems
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15 Sep 2003, 00:30 (Ref:718977)
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Dazz - agree on the ambiguity - however, like I said in a previous message - it is wonderful to have hindsight.
Look how quickly the weather closed in with the hail storm - in under 2 minutes visibility was down to what? Maybe 50 metres on the main straight? We know now that this didn't happen again, but there was what? 5 minutes left in the race at the time in question?. Unfortunately when something happens or goes wrong you can't afford to sit back and say 'Lets wait and see what happens - cross your fingers everyone'. |
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15 Sep 2003, 00:30 (Ref:718978)
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Probably did, but I think anyone leading the race in those conditions would have been happy to see the chequered flag as soon as possible!
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15 Sep 2003, 00:31 (Ref:718979)
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15 Sep 2003, 00:47 (Ref:718991)
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Skaife made the comment after the race that he couldnt see a thing, and he was in front. What could Richards see?
Should give him a 5 minute penalty. |
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15 Sep 2003, 00:50 (Ref:718992)
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Skaife had no wipers or demister though, big difference!
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15 Sep 2003, 01:57 (Ref:719025)
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In which case he shouldn't have been out there - he should have been in getting them fixed.
Strewth - if he had been in an ordinary car on Victortian roads he would have been booked for sppeeding, going through a red light, using his mobile phone AND having no tail lights... Sheesh - where is the justice in all of this! |
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15 Sep 2003, 03:06 (Ref:719062)
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Just Heard that Skaife was fined $7500.00 for his breach of the rules Why could not the officilas see what the Channel 10 team could and told him to come into the pits and fix the problem and then we would have had the real winners on the podium
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16 Sep 2003, 16:02 (Ref:720896)
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Dazz
Skaife had no wipers or demister though, big difference! Well what can i say why do we have pit crews in pit bays for an race to service or fix a race car. Thunder1 |
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16 Sep 2003, 16:04 (Ref:720898)
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Yes i am a holden fan
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16 Sep 2003, 20:45 (Ref:721172)
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Does anyone think that any other driver would have done any different in that situation?
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17 Sep 2003, 09:36 (Ref:721616)
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The Stewards seem to be on a revenue grabbing exercise the quantum value of the fines is really quite extraordinary when you consider what it costs the teams to put on the show AVESCO contribute nothing towards the fines yet they urge the drivers to put on a good show and go and hide when a fine has to be paid .
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