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13 Sep 2011, 05:02
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Group A Ford Sierra RS500
Footage of Klaus Ludwig setting the pole time for the 1987 Bathurst round of the WTCC:
http://youtu.be/7N3JeiWwYo4
And some great in-car footage of Andy Rouse in the ANZ-sponsored Sierra:
http://youtu.be/vfP2KNy_ERo
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18 Sep 2011, 06:57
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Richard Hilsden's Flickr collection continues to come up with the goods! This is a car that's briefly come up in the thread before, but I think this is the first pic I've ever seen of the only time I ever saw it of it- the Dutch car of Evert Bolderheij/Allard Kalff at the 1987 TT
According to the 1987 Dutch championship results posted on Frank de Jong's site, the Bolderheij Sierra was built from Rouse parts , and debuted in the Dutch series in June 87. Looking at the pic, is it still in Cosworth, rather than RS500 spec? It certainly seems to lack the additional bootlid spoiler normally seen on RS500s
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
We've talked about this car a while back, and Viva confirmed it was a Rouse car- however, a lot of discussion referred to it as the Marlboro car raced by Bolderheij and Jeroen Hin, rather than the plain white car in the TT pic.
http://www.bmwe21.net/temp/Hin.jpg
Now although Hin had a Group N Cosworth in 1987, his Group A mount in the Dutch series that year was a VL Commodore (the 'Playboy' car that was leased by Vic Covey/Andrew Jeffrey for the TT), so are the white Bolderheij car from the TT and Hin's Marlboro/Playboy car one and the same, or are we looking at two Dutch Group A Sierras?
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18 Sep 2011, 13:16
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Glad I am keeping you all interested. I think I got everyone of the cars listed on Frank de Jongs page(Except the Q racing Alfa) either in the pits or on the track, on race day.
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Races/1987%20Silverstone.html
Most of the photos on show are of reasonable quality owing to the weather conditions on the day. They were taken on Fuji slide film.
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18 Sep 2011, 13:22
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KA & Chunterer - thanks for the excellent info on those Sierra, and the link for the British GT review, thanks guys!
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18 Sep 2011, 14:12
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Originally Posted by Richard G Hilsden
Glad I am keeping you all interested. I think I got everyone of the cars listed on Frank de Jongs page(Except the Q racing Alfa) either in the pits or on the track, on race day.
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Races/1987%20Silverstone.html
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You certainly are- they're way ahead of anything I got on the day (I think I took a couple of pics of the start of the prodsaloon race, and the camera stayed in it's bag as we sheltered in the pit straight grandstand for the TT itself!).
Lindstrom's Q Racing Alfa got rolled into a ball in one of the free practice sessions on either the Friday or Saturday morning as I remember- there was a pic of the wreck in the following week's Autosport. As I remember, the other significant car that didn't make it to race day was Graham Goode's Sierra which was written off in a pre-race testing shunt, though I can't remember whether that was during one of the official practice days of the TT meeting, or in private testing earlier in the week
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20 Sep 2011, 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KA
Richard Hilsden's Flickr collection continues to come up with the goods! This is a car that's briefly come up in the thread before, but I think this is the first pic I've ever seen of the only time I ever saw it of it- the Dutch car of Evert Bolderheij/Allard Kalff at the 1987 TT
According to the 1987 Dutch championship results posted on Frank de Jong's site, the Bolderheij Sierra was built from Rouse parts , and debuted in the Dutch series in June 87. Looking at the pic, is it still in Cosworth, rather than RS500 spec? It certainly seems to lack the additional bootlid spoiler normally seen on RS500s
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
We've talked about this car a while back, and Viva confirmed it was a Rouse car- however, a lot of discussion referred to it as the Marlboro car raced by Bolderheij and Jeroen Hin, rather than the plain white car in the TT pic.
http://www.bmwe21.net/temp/Hin.jpg
Now although Hin had a Group N Cosworth in 1987, his Group A mount in the Dutch series that year was a VL Commodore (the 'Playboy' car that was leased by Vic Covey/Andrew Jeffrey for the TT), so are the white Bolderheij car from the TT and Hin's Marlboro/Playboy car one and the same, or are we looking at two Dutch Group A Sierras? |
Yes Kevan, the car is still running only Sierra Cosworth (not RS500) spoilers front & rear, so should be in non RS500 mechanical specification too...
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You certainly are- they're way ahead of anything I got on the day (I think I took a couple of pics of the start of the prodsaloon race, and the camera stayed in it's bag as we sheltered in the pit straight grandstand for the TT itself!).
Lindstrom's Q Racing Alfa got rolled into a ball in one of the free practice sessions on either the Friday or Saturday morning as I remember- there was a pic of the wreck in the following week's Autosport. As I remember, the other significant car that didn't make it to race day was Graham Goode's Sierra which was written off in a pre-race testing shunt, though I can't remember whether that was during one of the official practice days of the TT meeting, or in private testing earlier in the week
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Graham wrote his RS500 off during practice on the Friday when his left-front Dunlop tyre sidewall blew as he turned into Stowe corner...
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20 Sep 2011, 16:28
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Yes Kevan, the car is still running only Sierra Cosworth (not RS500) spoilers front & rear, so should be in non RS500 mechanical specification too...
Graham wrote his RS500 off during practice on the Friday when his left-front Dunlop tyre sidewall blew as he turned into Stowe corner...
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Thanks- I had a vague memory that Bolderheij's car was still in Sierra Cosworth, rather than RS500-spec and the picture seemed to confirm that.
Is that Graham's transporter you can see through the back of the pit garage, parked next to the Rouse/ICS truck in this pic of the Rouse car in the pit garage?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
No guesswork needed to identify this one though- Another of Richard Hilsden's pics, it's the start grid for the 1988 Donington ETC round, with Graham's white Listerine Sierra (and Clifford! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9THLN...eature=related  )
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
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21 Sep 2011, 15:37
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Another rare one just creeping into the corner of this shot of the Camac and Vanicek M3s on the grid- the black #18 car alongside the Vanicek BMW is Karl Oppitzhauser's RS500 from Austria.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
Another pic:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-17-018.jpg
(Were Jeremy Jackson's pics on Racingsportscars taken during qualifying, as it's very obviously raining in them?- I certainly don't remember getting rained on at all on the Sunday? They also include the Dixi/Yacco 635, which was a DNS, so I guess they must be from the Saturday)
Oppitzhauser''s RS500 is another I know very little about- I know he had a 635, then an XR4Ti during 1986,
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-06-026.jpg
before moving on to a Cosworth for 1987/8.
He seems to be one of those semi-regular ETC runners who turned up at a lot of the mainland European races (especially his fairly 'local' rounds- Nurburgring, Salzburgring, Zeltweg, Brno etc) without ever running a full season- he certainly appeared at Donington a couple of times, but I don't ever recall him at the TT.
He seems to be best-known though for an abortive attempt to take part in the 1976 Austrian GP in a March 761...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Oppitzhauser
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21 Sep 2011, 15:54
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Very Eagle-Eyed of you there, yes that's the old (Ex Gordon Spice) GGR Plaxton / Bristol transporter outside the garage. (You can just see a part of the large 'Clifford the Dragon' on the rear).
Also, inside the Rouse garage, wearing blue overalls is Andy Rouse's right-hand-man, Vic Drake!
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21 Sep 2011, 17:51
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Very Eagle-Eyed of you there, yes that's the old (Ex Gordon Spice) GGR Plaxton / Bristol transporter outside the garage. (You can just see a part of the large 'Clifford the Dragon' on the rear).
Also, inside the Rouse garage, wearing blue overalls is Andy Rouse's right-hand-man, Vic Drake!
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Vic Drake! Is he still around? He's be a good guy to tempt onto here...
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22 Sep 2011, 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KA
Another rare one just creeping into the corner of this shot of the Camac and Vanicek M3s on the grid- the black #18 car alongside the Vanicek BMW is Karl Oppitzhauser's RS500 from Austria.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
Another pic:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-17-018.jpg
(Were Jeremy Jackson's pics on Racingsportscars taken during qualifying, as it's very obviously raining in them?- I certainly don't remember getting rained on at all on the Sunday? They also include the Dixi/Yacco 635, which was a DNS, so I guess they must be from the Saturday)
Oppitzhauser''s RS500 is another I know very little about- I know he had a 635, then an XR4Ti during 1986,
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-06-026.jpg
before moving on to a Cosworth for 1987/8.
He seems to be one of those semi-regular ETC runners who turned up at a lot of the mainland European races (especially his fairly 'local' rounds- Nurburgring, Salzburgring, Zeltweg, Brno etc) without ever running a full season- he certainly appeared at Donington a couple of times, but I don't ever recall him at the TT.
He seems to be best-known though for an abortive attempt to take part in the 1976 Austrian GP in a March 761...
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The HWRT logo on the '86 XR4Ti suggest a Wolf Racing link. Don't know if that link was carried over to his RS500, but at least it's got the same Ronal rims.
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23 Sep 2011, 01:01
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The HWRT logo on the '86 XR4Ti suggest a Wolf Racing link. Don't know if that link was carried over to his RS500, but at least it's got the same Ronal rims.
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Yes, I wondered about that as well. Another shot of the RS500
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream
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30 Sep 2011, 17:42
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Donny 1988 ETC round. Wow, I can't remember that car being there at all!
The only Sierra other than the works cars I recalled was Goode's.
The Simonsen car wasn't there was it?
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30 Sep 2011, 18:26
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Donny 1988 ETC round. Wow, I can't remember that car being there at all!
The only Sierra other than the works cars I recalled was Goode's.
The Simonsen car wasn't there was it?
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The Team CMS Sweden RS500 was entered for the race, but I believe it made it's international debut at the September TT at Silverstone. Wolf, Oppitzhauser and Bornebusch had sole cars at Donington though - the Bornebusch car being a non-starter. Frank de Jong has the Oppitzhauser car as non-starter too, but pictures of this car earlier in the thread suggest it was physically present on the dummy grid at least.
The CMS RS500 was likely a late addition to the 1988 group A ranks. Through out the year Ulf Granberg ran a silver Luna sponsored Volvo 240 Turbo for the team in the Swedish championship, likely to have ended some time in August.
Another point has gotten my attention recently: From the officially scanned MotorSport DVD I have read that 11 RS500s were entered for the opening round of the ETCC at Monza. A strike at Ford meant that spare parts were few and prevented the privateers to make the race, except one Jolly Club RS500, that eventually was withdrawn after two engine brake downs. Who were the other eight Sierras entered for Monza? At a guess I'd say Wolf, Bornebusch, Euroluigi (two cars), another Jolly Club car, Oppitzhauser, perhaps CMS and even a French Fornage car.
Confusing the matter of spare parts being limited to the privateers is the fact that nine RS500s were present at Silverstone for the opening round of the British series on the same weekend!
Just had a look at the Duke resume of the '88 Donington 500 seing that the Goode RS500 was running in fifth in the early stages, by then only behind the Eggenberger, Wolf Sierras and the Nissan, but ahead of the Schnitzer and Bigazzi BMW M3s. Eventually not a single division 1 car was classified, which must be a first?
Jesper
Last edited by Jesper OH; 30 Sep 2011 at 18:36.
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