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F1 2008 Round 6 - Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo (22/05/08-25/05/08)
Sorry for being pre-emptive, no-one else has posted one yet, Monaco is a bit special - not only due to free practice on Thursday.
This year has seen little change in the relative strengths of the cars, with the only change in winning constructer being Malaysia, arguably due to Hamilton's 20 second pit stop. This is possibly due to the rule shake-up coming up for 2009, and the reintroduction of slicks, less downforce and KERS.
This is where, if things pan out similar, we could see a strong McLaren performance. In the Australian Grand Prix (the only non-permenant track so far this year) we saw problems with the Ferraris - struggling to score a point. Last year we saw a whole minute of daylight between the McLarens and the first of the Ferraris. Will we see a repeat performance that will give McLaren the initiative again, or will Ferrari take over what was McLaren's strong point, temporary circuits? Monaco is not only a historic race, this year it could be an indicator of things to come. And what about the BMWs? Could they spring a surprise?
Sebastien Vettel will come in to the race with a five place gearbox penalty. Also, Giancarlo Fisichella is on target for his 200th Grand Prix start.
Also, at time of writing, the meteorologists are suggesting a wet race could happen. We haven't had a wet race so far this year. Will the lack of traction control and the wet stuff catch a few drivers napping and into the armco? If they do, Bernd Maylander might be a bit busy ...
Drivers standings
| | Driver | Team | Nationality | Points |
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 | Kimi Raikkonen | Ferrari | Finland | 35 |  | Felipe Massa | Ferrari | Brazil | 28 (2 wins) |  | Lewis Hamilton | McLaren-Mercedes | Britain | 28 (1 win) |  | Robert Kubica | BMW-Sauber | Poland | 24 |  | Nick Heidfeld | BMW-Sauber | Germany | 20 |  | Heikki Kovalainen | McLaren-Mercedes | Finland | 14 |  | Mark Webber | Red Bull-Renault | Australia | 10 |  | Fernando Alonso | Renault | Spain | 9* |  | Jarno Trulli | Toyota | Italy | 9* |  | Nico Rosberg | Williams-Toyota | Germany | 8 |  | Kazuki Nakajima | Williams-Toyota | Japan | 5 |  | Jenson Button | Honda | Britain | 3 |  | Sebastien Bourdais | STR-Ferrari | France | 2 |
* Alonso and Trulli are both tied exactly on nine points - a 4th, a 6th, an 8th, a 10th and a DNF
Constructors standings
| | Team | Points |
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| Ferrari | 63 | | BMW-Sauber | 44 | | McLaren-Mercedes | 42 | | Williams-Toyota | 13 |  | Red Bull-Renault | 10 |  | Toyota | 9* |  | Renault | 9* |  | Toro Rosso-Ferrari | 2 |
Toyota lead due to Timo Glock's 9th in Bahrain
Car graphics by www.andyblackmoredesign.com.
Monaco GP: recent results
| Year | 1st place | 2nd place | 3rd place |
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| 2007 | Fernando Alonso | Kimi Raikkonen | Fernando Alonso | | 2006 | Fernando Alonso | Juan Pablo Montoya | David Coulthard | | 2005 | Kimi Raikkonen | Nick Heidfeld | Mark Webber |
| | Driver | Laptime |
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| 2007 fastest lap | Fernando Alonso | 1:15.284 | | 2007 pole position | Felipe Massa | 1:15.726 | | Lap record | Michael Schumacher | 1:14.439 (set in 2004) |
Monaco winners - pre F1 era
| Decade | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |
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| 1920s | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | n/a | W Grover-Williams | | 1930s | R Dreyfus | L Chiron | T Nuvolari | A Varzi | G Moll | L Fagioli | R Caracciola | M v Brauchitsch | Not held | Not held | | 1940s | Not held | Not held | Not held | Not held | Not held | Not held | Not held | Not held | G Farina | Not held |
Monaco winners - F1 era
| Decade | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |
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| 1950s | JM Fangio | Not held | V Marzotto | Not held | Not held | M Trintignant | S Moss | JM Fangio | M Trinignant | J Brabham | | 1960s | S Moss | S Moss | B McLaren | G Hill | G Hill | G Hill | J Stewart | D Hulme | G Hill | G Hill | | 1970s | J Rindt | J Stewart | JP Beltoise | J Stewart | R Peterson | N Lauda | N Lauda | J Scheckter | P Depaillier | J Scheckter | | 1980s | C Reutemann | G Villeneuve | R Patrese | K Rosberg | A Prost | A Prost | A Prost | A Senna | A Prost | A Senna | | 1990s | A Senna | A Senna | A Senna | A Senna | M Schumacher | M Schumacher | O Panis | M Schumacher | M Hakkinen | M Schumacher | | 2000s | D Coulthard | M Schumacher | D Coulthard | JP Montoya | J Trulli | K Raikkonen | F Alonso | F Alonso | ????? | |
The 1952 Monaco Grand Prix was a sportscar race.
Circuit stuff
Track map
Timetable
Event artwork
Weather forecast
Forum links
Chat
Predictions competition
Fantasy competition
Yes, the winners list and weather forecasts were added by me. Sorry if you find it a bit big, but if you want to put it in future GP threads feel free to.
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20 May 2008, 18:48
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Shouldn't this thread be a 'sticky' at the top somewhere! 
Weather forecast looks good...or bad,depending on your point of view.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=4648
Webcam that focuses around the bay area.You can keep an eye on the weather in 'real-time' as well.
http://notari.tv/
Don't forget that free practice is on Thursday!
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20 May 2008, 18:53
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Shouldn't this thread be a 'sticky' at the top somewhere! |
I'd be grateful if a moderator could do so, as us mere mortals cannot :P
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20 May 2008, 19:09
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Nice job.Thanks for the intro Duke! 
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20 May 2008, 19:20
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Nice one.
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20 May 2008, 20:33
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I always look forward to Monaco, for the spectacle more than the racing, it's fair to say.
However, if it rains during qualifying and the race, I might just wet myself.
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20 May 2008, 20:49
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Rain. I want rain. 
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20 May 2008, 21:02
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Shuddup re the rain; Im going for 7 days. With a limited knowledge of Monaco F1, isnt it the shorter wheelbase cars that run supreme round Monaco? IE Williams?
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20 May 2008, 21:46
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Shuddup re the rain; Im going for 7 days.
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Sorry, but if it's a choice between you getting good weather for your holiday and the rest of us getting to watch a decent race, I know which I'd rather have.
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20 May 2008, 22:08
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On a yacht? No contest..
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20 May 2008, 23:37
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21 May 2008, 01:14
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It's also worth watching Trulli's pole lap from 2004. Astonishingly fast 
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21 May 2008, 10:41
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It may be obvious to say but McLaren really need to nail a win ASAP. They appear to the media to have been content with their pace recently and satisfied that they "could have" won some of the recent races "if only" they'd done such and such, but for the championship's sake they must start accumulating wins.
They really ought to have won at least one championship in the last nine years given that they've been there or thereabouts most of that time. Nine years- blimey, has it really been that long?
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21 May 2008, 13:00
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Thanks duke_toaster ! Looks like you've been faster than anyone else.
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