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Old 14 Jan 2009, 05:41 (Ref:2371112)   #1
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Super GT 2009 : GT300 new machine

New GT300 machine unveiled at 2009 Tokyo Auto Salon, The Toyota Corolla Axio GT , running on V6 3.5 L NA:

http://ww2.supergt.net/gtcgi/prg/New...No=2&width=400

http://ww2.supergt.net/gtcgi/prg/New...No=3&width=400

http://ww2.supergt.net/gtcgi/prg/New...No=4&width=400
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 05:51 (Ref:2371115)   #2
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wait this has been mentioned in the touring car section. We thought it was going to Thailand to the SuperGT Series there. But my first guess was correct. So this will be replacing all the MRS's that are still in the series correct?
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 06:01 (Ref:2371117)   #3
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Yup, this car, developed by team apr will replace the ageing MR-S in the SuperGT series in Japan.
Chassis based on Corolla Axio prod. bodyshell, albeit with extensive mods & change to mid engine layout.

Thailand?

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Old 14 Jan 2009, 07:26 (Ref:2371146)   #4
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Will they continue to run the mid-engine Lexus IS as well?
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 07:29 (Ref:2371147)   #5
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another pic here...

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its bloody low for a Corolla LOL
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 07:54 (Ref:2371151)   #6
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another pic here...

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its bloody low for a Corolla LOL
Because of the more relaxed rules on chassis & engine, the Japanese really go to the extreme on this one .Possibly the central bodyshell is the only original thing left from the base vehicle.

It's a superb racecar anyway.

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Will they continue to run the mid-engine Lexus IS as well?
The Lexus IS350, will still be running in 2009 (Team Wedsport,etc).It only started race in last year afterall.

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Old 14 Jan 2009, 08:41 (Ref:2371165)   #7
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It's funny that GT300 now seems to be more of the original thinking playground than GT500.
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 09:25 (Ref:2371202)   #8
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Yeah, probably. But I think both classes are basically the same when it comes to freedom in modifying/building the cars.The only obvious difference is maybe on the horsepower/power-to-weight ratio.

Only criticisms from me is that the GT-R could have used a turbocharged engine rather than NA (at least you can relate to the road going cars), and the presence of seriously outdated cars like the Mazda RX-7 , Honda NSX & Porsche Boxster (not that the car's running pace is outdated, just appearance wise).
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 09:58 (Ref:2371218)   #9
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Don't really like the car.

Do the the Lexus GT300 and this Toyota share the same chassis?
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It's funny that GT300 now seems to be more of the original thinking playground than GT500.
And becomes more and more a silhouette prototype class.
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 17:34 (Ref:2371443)   #11
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Yup, this car, developed by team apr will replace the ageing MR-S in the SuperGT series in Japan.
Chassis based on Corolla Axio prod. bodyshell, albeit with extensive mods & change to mid engine layout.

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is it actually based on the corolla chassis? the impression i got from my rather limited japanese was that it was more of a reworking of the actual MR-S chassis they used to have...
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 17:42 (Ref:2371449)   #12
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And becomes more and more a silhouette prototype class.
not a good thing in my opinion. I prefer when it had some relation to the roadcar, even just a little,
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 18:43 (Ref:2371490)   #14
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And becomes more and more a silhouette prototype class.
That was my first thougt too as I looked at the pictures. What an ugly car...and it has nothing in common with a GT at all.
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 18:47 (Ref:2371493)   #15
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while it is true that it's rather impure as GT series go, i think that the attitude of "anything on 4 wheels within the class limits" is a pretty pragmatic one in these economic times, and it does make for a heck of a lot of variety in a fairly affordable manner. which is what we often complain we never see.

the gt500 class though, is increasingly becoming a spec class by virtue of the massive spending by nissan, honda, and toyota on their programs (they've priced out any privateer entrants with different cars); and the new rules requiring 3.4 litre v8s (the same motors as formula nippon) have just reinforced that...
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 18:47 (Ref:2371494)   #16
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GT500 has less freedom so the manufactorers dont spend themselves out of the series.GT300 was created to be more open but there are radical rules changes coming to alter the whole series. Oh and Thailand was a reference to a series there were they have raced tube framed Corollas from the 8th and 9th gerneration. Someone posted a link that claimed thats were they were going.
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GT500 has less freedom so the manufactorers dont spend themselves out of the series.GT300 was created to be more open but there are radical rules changes coming to alter the whole series. Oh and Thailand was a reference to a series there were they have raced tube framed Corollas from the 8th and 9th gerneration. Someone posted a link that claimed thats were they were going.
No, the car this thread is about is derived from the Corollas in the Thailand-series, but not for it.
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 19:28 (Ref:2371525)   #18
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i should probably add that as odd-ball as this car is, i kind of like it. yes, it essentially is a prototype masquerading under corolla-esque bodywork, but it doesn't look that bad in and of itself, and will certainly be fun to see in motion. i like it more than the mid-engined lexus, which just looks kind of awkward to me...
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i know I was answering what someone said before me.
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It really does look like one of the old Group 5 silhouette cars now
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Super GT is the Group 5 or rather IMSA GTX of today.

With cars like that you really don't need prototypes...

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while it is true that it's rather impure as GT series go, i think that the attitude of "anything on 4 wheels within the class limits" is a pretty pragmatic one in these economic times, and it does make for a heck of a lot of variety in a fairly affordable manner. which is what we often complain we never see.

the gt500 class though, is increasingly becoming a spec class by virtue of the massive spending by nissan, honda, and toyota on their programs (they've priced out any privateer entrants with different cars); and the new rules requiring 3.4 litre v8s (the same motors as formula nippon) have just reinforced that...
Talking about variety, looks like GT300 is getting more interesting to watch, whereas GT500 is getting more like present day DTM which is rather on the boring side..
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I guess this also means that SuperGT has really relaxed their rule about not allowing 4-door sedans, with exception for the Cusco Subaru.
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I guess this also means that SuperGT has really relaxed their rule about not allowing 4-door sedans, with exception for the Cusco Subaru.
Yup, and it's even a 4-wheel drive car.I think not anymore GT/Touring Car series in the rest of the world that allow 4WD cars to race competetively.

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Yup, and it's even a 4-wheel drive car.I think not anymore GT/Touring Car series in the rest of the world that allow 4WD cars to race competetively.
I hope the SuperGT organizer would maintain specifically the 4WD rules for Subaru WRX or Mitsu Lancer, and not allow this drivetrain to other cars. Just for the sake of maintaining the link to road car..
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