Which A1GP drivers would be competitive in F1? - Page 2 - 10-Tenths Motorsport Forum

**Kiwi3** · 13 Mar 2009, 02:31

Was Yoong ever faster than Verstappen? I don't think F1 was a good reflection on his ability, he lost confidence quickly and that was that.

He was good in the first two seasons of A1GP (especially the second one) but seemed to fade last season. I wonder if it's because he now has other interests, he did recently pull out of GP2 because he said he cannot focus on it due to the other things he is doing.

But anyway I would not rate Yoong as being able to be competitive in F1, he would be well off the pace in my opinion.

It's not all going in one direction, there are ex A1GP drivers in F1, e.g. Piquet and Buemi. Possibly Hulkenberg in 2010, who established his reputation in A1GP.

diabloA1 · 13 Mar 2009, 02:40

Save the ducks

I think Yoong is a good 'race day' driver. He showed a lot of confidence dicing with other drivers without too many silly mistakes. In fact I can only recall maybe 1 or 2 mistakes which didn't harm anyone anyway.

If F1 is such that drivers only arriving at the circuit on Sunday, jump in and drive I think Yoong would do ok (I'm ducking too)

But F1 (and other series) is a lot more about the race on Sunday. He seemed to have struggled with the team right from the beginning of each race weekend, hence inconsistent, sometimes downright poor qualifying( in season 3), requiring hard driving on Sunday.

Because of that, his results in F1 may not be consistent either. May even end up a lot worse than his team mate. He was outclassed by his team mate Bamber in GP2 Asia recently, which did not do him any favours at all. Certainly did not reflect his capability. I actually feel for the guy. But F1 is a tough world and he won't do well if he can't rid of his 'demons'

RichardRenes · 13 Mar 2009, 18:12

I still have the idea that something else was going on in season 3 with team Malaysia.

I can't simply believe that a team that was very competative in season 2 suddenly lost it in season 3, while a team that struggled in season 2 suddenly started to become competative in season 3, up to even winning a race.

Therefore I have the feeling some chassis were swapped somewhere

, probably without the knowledge of the teams.

dave not neil · 13 Mar 2009, 22:50

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...Therefore I have the feeling some chassis were swapped somewhere

, probably without the knowledge of the teams.

That is possibly the most ludicrous thing I have ever read on this forum.

diabloA1 · 15 Mar 2009, 04:40

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I still have the idea that something else was going on in season 3 with team Malaysia.

I can't simply believe that a team that was very competative in season 2 suddenly lost it in season 3, while a team that struggled in season 2 suddenly started to become competative in season 3, up to even winning a race.

Therefore I have the feeling some chassis were swapped somewhere

, probably without the knowledge of the teams.

If my memory serves me correctly, Ireland replaced their chassis(tub) in early season 2 while Malaysia replaced theirs in time for Brands that same season. Both complained the loss of stiffness.

It's not a problem that would go unnoticed as teams can compare data with 'sister' teams and spot the problem right away. There was a lot of speculation in season 3 on team Malaysia with regards to this but the team prinicipal himself ruled that out. They did check and the tub stiffness was within limits.

There were no major changes within the malaysian team in seasons 1 through 3 except for change of race engineers mid season, though in season 3 they had Greg Wheeler do the whole season. Many unlucky factors conributed to the poor performance in season 3 but the heart of it was the Wheeler-Yoong combo no working out.

Right from Donington this season it was clear that the Mugglestone-Fauzy combo was very good. Fauzy also matured as a driver in the last 1-2 years beating Bruno Senna in the wet in GP2 Asia at Sentul, podium finish at Monaco at WSbR plus a few other highlights. Mugglestone never engineered an A1GP car before but his track record is impressive.

**Kiwi3** · 15 Mar 2009, 04:55

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Mugglestone

Is that a nickname or seriously is the guy's name?

diabloA1 · 15 Mar 2009, 15:20

Alan Mugglestone is his real name. Not something derived out of Harry Potter!

Mak · 15 Mar 2009, 18:47

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If my memory serves me correctly, Ireland replaced their chassis(tub) in early season 2 while Malaysia replaced theirs in time for Brands that same season. Both complained the loss of stiffness.

It's not a problem that would go unnoticed as teams can compare data with 'sister' teams and spot the problem right away. There was a lot of speculation in season 3 on team Malaysia with regards to this but the team prinicipal himself ruled that out. They did check and the tub stiffness was within limits.

There were no major changes within the malaysian team in seasons 1 through 3 except for change of race engineers mid season, though in season 3 they had Greg Wheeler do the whole season. Many unlucky factors conributed to the poor performance in season 3 but the heart of it was the Wheeler-Yoong combo no working out.

Right from Donington this season it was clear that the Mugglestone-Fauzy combo was very good. Fauzy also matured as a driver in the last 1-2 years beating Bruno Senna in the wet in GP2 Asia at Sentul, podium finish at Monaco at WSbR plus a few other highlights. Mugglestone never engineered an A1GP car before but his track record is impressive.

Isn't wheeler now with India??

RichardRenes · 15 Mar 2009, 18:48

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Originally Posted by diabloA1

There were no major changes within the malaysian team in seasons 1 through 3 except for change of race engineers mid season, though in season 3 they had Greg Wheeler do the whole season. Many unlucky factors conributed to the poor performance in season 3 but the heart of it was the Wheeler-Yoong combo no working out.

If my memory serves me correctly, Greg Wheeler was team Malaysia's engineer in season 1 too... so what happened overthere that it suddenly wasn't working out anymore?

diabloA1 · 16 Mar 2009, 02:06

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If my memory serves me correctly, Greg Wheeler was team Malaysia's engineer in season 1 too... so what happened overthere that it suddenly wasn't working out anymore?

The relationship between the two changed. Made worse by the unlucky results early in that season.

Richard B · 23 Mar 2009, 21:15

No question Danny Watts.
In F3 he a few times beat Piquet Jnr.
In F Renault he beat Hamilton
and after a year without driving a single seater at the last F3 race of the season in a one off drive he outqualified and subsequently beat F3 regulars Bruno Senna, Oliver Jarvis and Mike Conway
Silverstone LMES, 2nd day ever in the car he was the only driver who could keep in touch with the Peugeots.
One of the most underated drivers in the country

Burnsie · 23 Mar 2009, 21:20

Adam Carroll, not that I'm biased or anything

fredd1 · 24 Mar 2009, 05:11

Why don't we just short circuit this and say none of them!

**Kiwi3** · 24 Mar 2009, 07:39

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Why don't we just short circuit this and say none of them!

You are most welcome to if that is your opinion. That is what a discussion forum is for! But do you believe that Adrian Sutil (for example) is better than Adam Carroll (for example)?

F3 Rocks · 24 Mar 2009, 09:01

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You are most welcome to if that is your opinion. That is what a discussion forum is for! But do you believe that Adrian Sutil (for example) is better than Adam Carroll (for example)?

Obviously the people that matter do, don't underestimate Sutil we have seen nothing of his potential, totally the wrong driver for your comparison and don't be fooled into overestimating Adam

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