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Old 23 Sep 2009, 22:30 (Ref:2547016)   #26
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Based on what I've seen of Ricardo Tormo from bikes and the Le Mans Series, I'll take the temporary circuit over it any day; it's really that bad, imo.
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Old 23 Sep 2009, 22:33 (Ref:2547018)   #27
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Not too impressed either with the shape of the Korean circuit. But let's just wait and see.
Valencia Marina is definitely Tilke's nadir, so I can only hope somebody in the city council soon realizes that it's sensible to move the GP to Circuito Ricardo Tormo instead and not continuing wasting all the money necessary to set up the temporary track each year.
And why would it be sensible to move the GP to a circuit not designed for car racing that is even more dull than the street circuit?

They should have the European GP at Jerez instead
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Old 23 Sep 2009, 22:39 (Ref:2547024)   #28
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Jerez has been barred from holding F1 GPs since Podiumgate 1997 edition

And we're not going back to Jarama either. The Spanish seemingly have a tendancy to build boring race circuits

However, Motorland Aragon seems pretty good for a Tilke circuit. I'll be keeping an eye on the WSR finale there
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Old 23 Sep 2009, 23:02 (Ref:2547034)   #29
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Jarama didn't have much land to work with, so all things considered, it didn't come out that bad. As for the designer, it's the same man who did Suzuka and Zandvoort, John Hugenholtz.
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Old 24 Sep 2009, 07:10 (Ref:2547149)   #30
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Jarama gets alot of stick, but I actually think it's got some nice turns and changes in elevation.

Unfortunately, just not too many overtaking opportunities

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Old 24 Sep 2009, 15:04 (Ref:2547368)   #31
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Jerez has been barred from holding F1 GPs since Podiumgate 1997 edition
They could probably quite easily be unbanned. What happened to Turkey following the guy from TRNC presenting the trophy, and some of these illegal trophy rows? These Santander ones are banned as they aren't of the traditional drinking container type ...
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Old 5 Oct 2009, 13:52 (Ref:2554548)   #32
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Fota would rather return to the USA than go to South Korea, according to this article on motorsport-total.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/n..._09100507.html

McLaren teamboss Whitmarsh is cited as saying that the new track is four to five hours away from the nearest town. There seems to be a complete lack of infrastructure and hotels.

The highest priority for FOTA is not South Korea, but a return to Canada and the USA.

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In the past we have made a mess out of it so often, that we should say: if necessary, we go there for free...
It takes five years to restore our credibility in North America."
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Old 9 Oct 2009, 18:37 (Ref:2557682)   #34
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Monaco GP has been moved.

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Old 15 Oct 2009, 22:22 (Ref:2562314)   #36
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I thought Bernie and Max were trying to keep costs down? With 19 races that's a lot of toing and froing and it must cost a considerable amount, certainly more than the current season which has fewer races.
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I dislike Canada clashing with Le Mans, but I suppose if there has to be a F1 race on that weekend, having one in North America so it starts after LM has finished is the best option. I had hoped we'd see more drivers do what Bourdais did this year though...

Regarding South Korea: According to 30 seconds of research in Google Earth, a city with a population of 250000 is about 10 km away. Not exactly in the middle of nowhere...
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Old 17 Oct 2009, 10:16 (Ref:2563163)   #38
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How certain is the event in Montreal - and since Donington is getting more unlikely every day, will there be a replacement?

Is there still a chance that Donington may be ready for 2011? Probably.
So Bernie just needs a replacement for one season.
As opposed to Bernie, Silverstone want the GP for the whole 17 years at an affordable rate.

There might be other circuits interested in a one-off event at a last-minute starting fee for 2010, but none of those are from the UK.
Who would I like to see as a replacement, besides Silverstone?

Portimao for sure. Imola deserves a chance. Indy won't be possible because the date is not back-to-back with Montreal. Dubai Autodrome could probably afford it the easiest. Magny-Cours might also be a possibility, since there are still plans for a revival of the French GP.

It's better to have a one-off replacement than no GP at all.
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I think we'll see a British GP in 2010, FOTA would kick up a huge stink otherwise - and if Ari Vatanen becomes FIA president, the complexion of the situation will change hugely. I think we will be racing at Silverstone next year.

Portimao would be a good F1 venue for sure - however that ought to be at the expense of another round, probably one of the Spanish ones. Magny is supposedly being replaced by a new venue near Paris. Imola may be a nice circuit, but I'd rather each country only got one GP with the possible exception of the United States due to its sheer size. Dubai Autodrome likewise - Italy having two GPs is more justifiable than a country with 7.44% of the population and little domestic motorsport interest.
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Looks like F1 is becoming more Asia centric.

Is this the first time ever that F1 will have more races in Asia (9) than in Europe (8)?

So Bernie's reaction to cost cutting and the recession is to move most races to far away places to bump up the travel costs?
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So Bernie's reaction to cost cutting and the recession is to move most races to far away places to bump up the travel costs?
It beggars belief, after all the trouble caused this year, trying to get the teams to cut their budgets it's very hypocritical. Not that I'm defending him but these countries are obviously quite willing and happy to pay for the privilege of hosting a GP and he's quite willing to take advantage of the situation. I don't think they'll be so happy when he takes it away from them.
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Old 23 Oct 2009, 16:53 (Ref:2568108)   #42
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AFAIK FOM pay for the transportation of the cars and all the equipment needed at the races by the teams.
There you go, he gets these Asian countries to pay through the nose and the costs are covered and he makes a nice profit as well.
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I'm very concerned about the fact that there is six races in countries which have never had F1 driver and don't think any gets one soon either.
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[QUOTE=Belly13;2575283]I counted 10.[/QUOTETurkey,Bahrain,Abu Dhabi,China,Singapore,Hungary.Korea.
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I wasn't referring to winners but drivers.

Monaco (Chiron, Beretta), Malaysia (Yoong), Hungary (Baumgartner) and Japan (too many to list) have had drivers but not GP winners.
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Joe Saward was saying that there could be 20 races next year, including a returning French GP, so that Bernie would have to pay the teams more to cover the costs
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Seems like Canadian authorities have finally reached an agreement with FOM for the following five years.

http://monvolant.cyberpresse.ca/cour...te-semaine.php
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