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1 Nov 2009, 17:23
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Another championship event lost at Donington then! Quelle surprise.
What's on at Silverstone on the 18th April then? Or will F2 be the 'feature' race, as at the Donington round this year.
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4 Nov 2009, 19:56
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Hopefully the series can attract a better standard of drivers this season. I'm not saying it was mega poor this year but as it's supposed to be a sort of feeder to Formula 1 then i would say it needs a higher calibre of drivers.
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5 Nov 2009, 00:14
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It wasn't as bad as was made out, though. Looking through the list of drivers, you can't say it wasn't better than the first season (well, pretty much any season) of IFM. That in itself is a reasonable start. New series are always going to get off to a rocky start. I even think GP3 may not have a fantastic line-up next year, so I don't think you can blame JP and the gang for that
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5 Nov 2009, 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesRamone
Hopefully the series can attract a better standard of drivers this season. I'm not saying it was mega poor this year but as it's supposed to be a sort of feeder to Formula 1 then i would say it needs a higher calibre of drivers.
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This is the main problem with any pay-per-drive series, you are going to get the first 25 drivers who have the money or get their sponsors sorted out quickly, rather than the best 25 drivers by talent.
Im sure JP is just happy to get the field full up as soon as possible and make his money rather than set a deadline for all possible entrants and then pick out the best 25 (if more than 25 apply).
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5 Nov 2009, 13:23
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Williams to upgrade F2 car for 2010 Great news !
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Great news for who? The FIA "200k Euros series" now costs 306k Euros plus VAT. Congrats
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5 Nov 2009, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Eccles
This is the main problem with any pay-per-drive series, you are going to get the first 25 drivers who have the money or get their sponsors sorted out quickly, rather than the best 25 drivers by talent.
Im sure JP is just happy to get the field full up as soon as possible and make his money rather than set a deadline for all possible entrants and then pick out the best 25 (if more than 25 apply).
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Unfortunately nearly all series operate on a first come basis, and all are pay per drive.
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5 Nov 2009, 14:11
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So the series now costs £275,000. Thats not good, but the upgrades are a plus. Should be nearer WSR pace now.
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5 Nov 2009, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole
Great news for who? The FIA "200k Euros series" now costs 306k Euros plus VAT. Congrats
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That's €352,000, verging on double the planned budget.
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5 Nov 2009, 17:14
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You are all have forgotten about +1 meeting next year , its 1/8 more price already.
Ok, now it costs 330.000-350.000 euro , but it will be almost as fast as WSbR which costs 700.000 euro , twice more !
While old price was 250.000-270.000 euro and the price & speed were the same as in formula master or formula 3.
Maybe now it will become formula2 ( before it was only formula super palmer audi).
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5 Nov 2009, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Mak
Unfortunately nearly all series operate on a first come basis, and all are pay per drive.
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I think if a series was confident that it could attract a lot more drivers than the required 25, it could afford to be a lot more choosy as to who got the 25 seats.
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5 Nov 2009, 18:06
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Originally Posted by sauber11
You are all have forgotten about + 1 meeting next year , its 1/8 more price already. Ok now it costs 330.000-350.000 euro but it will be almost as fast as WSbR which costs 700.000 euro, twice more !
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Ahhh yes, a race in Morocco, how helpful for sponsors... And almost as fast as WSR? We will have to wait and see, it's quite a gap and the car is no Dallara. But really the problem is that the series moves away from its concept and into a market place which is fairly crowded. If GP3 is seen as a needless addition, then what is this?
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5 Nov 2009, 18:34
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Agreed about concept , but personally i didnt like it for many reasons.
But all i wanted to say that what they do is marketing - they had very low price for first year and too many drivers wanted to get there. Now they understandably increasing the price, but they also increase performance - so nothing wrong with it.
If they suddenly fails against gp3 they still can reduce price etc , but i dont think it will needed. Also we still have f-master and renault eurocup for older price (200-250.000 euro) to compete.
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5 Nov 2009, 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sauber11
You are all have forgotten about +1 meeting next year , its 1/8 more price already.
Ok, now it costs 330.000-350.000 euro , but it will be almost as fast as WSbR which costs 700.000 euro , twice more !
While old price was 250.000-270.000 euro and the price & speed were the same as in formula master or formula 3.
Maybe now it will become formula2 ( before it was only formula super palmer audi).
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It'll only be a real Formula 2 when isn't single entity and has several chassis and engine suppliers. Based on the spare parts bins of many series it would be perfectly possible to do that, but it wouldn't be at a similar level to this series, it would be more like GP2 or Formula Nippon.
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5 Nov 2009, 22:18
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The only real winner is JP, its a kick in the teeth for FIA's new 200k series, which a year after jumps up 30%, more so in a period of a global financial crisis! What joke!
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