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Old 1 Dec 2009, 14:28 (Ref:2592288)   #1
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1983 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results

Thank you for your corrections and additions, Carrera - much appreciated details. I guess the 3600 cc loft covers the 1983-1986 group A period?

Now, here is what I got about 1983:

1983 RAC Tricentrol British Saloon Car Championship

Class A: 2500-3600 cc
Class B: 1601-2500 cc
Class C: up to 1600 cc (possible 0-1600 cc)

Round 1 – March 20, 1983, Silverstone

1./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 2 – April 1, 1983, Oulton Park

1./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.70s – class winner
2./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.89s
3./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m16.26s
4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 23m46.97s – class winner
5./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 23m54.52s
6./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine? / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 24m09.22s
7./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 24m09.96s
8./ #? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI / 20 laps in 24m21.74s – class winner
9./ #? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps
10./ #? / Rob Hall / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps
unknown results for the remaining drivers
#? / Charles Sawyer-Hoare / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
#? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / Ford Capri 3.0S
#? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Greenhalgh / unknown / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Rob Kirby / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
#? / Lionel Abbott / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2

Round 3 – April 4, 1983, Thruxton

1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m31.85s – class winner
2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m32.04s
3./ #? / Charles Sawyver-Hoare / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m06.57s
4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m12.56s – class winner
5./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 31m17.92s
6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 31m25.75s
7./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m32.95s
8./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m53.42s
9./ #? / Alan Greenhalgh / C / VW Golf GTI / 19 laps – class winner
10./ #? / Rob Kirby / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti / 19 laps
The remaining positions once again unknown, but these are the drivers
#? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI
#? / Rob Hall / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / C* / MG Metro*
#? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Lionel Abbott / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2
#? / Andy Driver / unknown / C / Toyota Corolla GT
*Listed as such in my notes, but thought it should be a class B MG Metro Turbo.

Round 4 – April 10, 1983, Brands Hatch
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 5 – May 30, 1983, Thruxton
1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 6 – June 6, 1983, Silverstone
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 7 – June 25, 1983, Donington Park
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 8 – July 16, 1983, Silverstone
1./ #? / unknown / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
5./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 9 – August 8, 1983, Donington Park
1./ #? / unknown / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
3./ #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 10 – August 29, 1983, Brands Hatch
1 . / #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
5 / #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 11 – October 2, 1983, Silverstone
1./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #? / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
4./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
5./ #? / Jonathan Palmer / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E

Who as a person or team ran the Toyota GB/Hughes of Beaconsfield Toyotas in various BTCC seasons. From what I know HofB was/is a Toyota dealer ship.

100 % Rover domination on the road, but a lot of gaps. Any additional information, including fastest lap for the classes, will be gladly received and hopefull for the mutual benefit for all interested parties.

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Round 3 – April 4, 1983, Thruxton

1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m31.85s – class winner
2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m32.04s
3./ #? / Charles Sawyver-Hoare / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m06.57s
4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m12.56s – class winner
5./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 31m17.92s
6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 31m25.75s
7./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m32.95s
8./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m53.42s
9./ #? / Alan Greenhalgh / C / VW Golf GTI / 19 laps – class winner
10./ #? / Rob Kirby / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti / 19 laps
The remaining positions once again unknown, but these are the drivers
#? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI
#? / Rob Hall / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / C* / MG Metro*
#? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Lionel Abbott / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2
#? / Andy Driver / unknown / C / Toyota Corolla GT
*Listed as such in my notes, but thought it should be a class B MG Metro Turbo.
Think this is discussed somewhere in the Metro Turbo thread- AFAIK Watts started the season with a Class C 1300c Metro, not getting a Metro Turbo until sometime around mid-season, when a new car was built.

I'll have a look at the 1983 results I've got later- think they're fairly incomplete.
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Who as a person or team ran the Toyota GB/Hughes of Beaconsfield Toyotas in various BTCC seasons. From what I know HofB was/is a Toyota dealer ship.
Think we had a Celica Supra thread a while back which might contain the answer. The team could well have been by Hughes themselves, as after the end of the Toyota GB backing in '85, the ex-Sheene Celica Supra made a couple of BTCC appearances as a privateer entry (David Sears and Peter Lovett driving I think) before being written off in a shunt during qualifying for the TT (John Morris/Bob Meacham driving)- AFAIK on each occasion it was entered by HofB
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lverstone.html

This article on a Toyota owners club website, discussing the restoration of one of the original HofB Group 1 Celicas from 1979/80, which survives in Ireland, mentions that:
'For the 1979 season Toyota decided to become more involved in the Championship but decided to sub-contract the running of their team to enthusiastic Toyota dealers Hughes, based in Beaconsfield'
so it could well have been an 'in-house' job run from the Huges workshops
http://www.toyotaenthusiasts.com/Fea...ld_racecar.htm
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Thank you for your corrections and additions, Carrera - much appreciated details. I guess the 3600 cc loft covers the 1983-1986 group A period?

Now, here is what I got about 1983:

1983 RAC Tricentrol British Saloon Car Championship

Class A: 2500-3600 cc
Class B: 1601-2500 cc
Class C: up to 1600 cc correct

Round 1 – March 20, 1983, Silverstone

1./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 2 – April 1, 1983, Oulton Park

1./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.70s – class winner
2./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.89s
3./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m16.26s
4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 23m46.97s – class winner
5./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / GMDS / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 23m54.52s
6./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 24m09.22s
7./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 24m09.96s
8./ #? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI / 20 laps in 24m21.74s – class winner
9./ #? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps
10./ #? / Rob Hall / Julian May? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps
unknown results for the remaining drivers
#? / Charles Sawyer-Hoare / Martin Thomas/Daily Mirror (don't think Rouse ran it until 84?TBC) / A / Rover Vitesse
#? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / Ford Capri 3.0S
#? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Greenhalgh / Ordibel Windrush / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Rob Kirby / ARDT / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Andrew Thorpe / ARDT/Hampshire's Of Dorking / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo
#? / Lionel Abbott / Abbott / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / Pegasus / C / Ford Fiesta XR2

Round 3 – April 4, 1983, Thruxton

1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m31.85s – class winner
2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m32.04s
3./ #? / Charles Sawyver-Hoare / Martin Thomas/Daily Mirror (don't think Rouse ran it until 84?TBC) / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m06.57s
4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m12.56s – class winner
5./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 31m17.92s
6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / GMDS / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 31m25.75s
7./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m32.95s
8./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m53.42s
9./ #? / Alan Greenhalgh /Ordibel Windrush / C / VW Golf GTI / 19 laps – class winner
10./ #? / Rob Kirby / ARDT / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti / 19 laps
The remaining positions once again unknown, but these are the drivers
#? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI
#? / Rob Hall / Julian May? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / C* / MG Metro*
#? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Andrew Thorpe / ARDT/HoD / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Lionel Abbott / Abbott / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / Pegasus / C / Ford Fiesta XR2
#? / Andy Driver / Driver / C / Toyota Corolla GT
*Listed as such in my notes, but thought it should be a class B MG Metro Turbo.

The Turbo didn't appear until mid-season onwards I think? Watts ran a normally aspirated car in the small class until then

Round 4 – April 10, 1983, Brands Hatch
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 5 – May 30, 1983, Thruxton
1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 6 – June 6, 1983, Silverstone
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 7 – June 25, 1983, Donington Park
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 8 – July 16, 1983, Silverstone
1./ #? / unknown / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
5./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 9 – August 8, 1983, Donington Park
1./ #? / unknown / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
3./ #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 10 – August 29, 1983, Brands Hatch
1 . / #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
5 / #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra

Round 11 – October 2, 1983, Silverstone
1./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #? / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
4./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
5./ #? / Jonathan Palmer / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / GMDS / A / Opel Monza 3.0E

Who as a person or team ran the Toyota GB/Hughes of Beaconsfield Toyotas in various BTCC seasons. From what I know HofB was/is a Toyota dealer ship.

100 % Rover domination on the road, but a lot of gaps. Any additional information, including fastest lap for the classes, will be gladly received and hopefull for the mutual benefit for all interested parties.

Jesper
As with KA a few additions/thoughts on entries in bold. The Supra's engines were built by (and I think the car itself may even have been set up by) the late Jim Whitehouse's Arden Conversions in Pershore?
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Think this is discussed somewhere in the Metro Turbo thread- AFAIK Watts started the season with a Class C 1300c Metro, not getting a Metro Turbo until sometime around mid-season, when a new car was built.

I'll have a look at the 1983 results I've got later- think they're fairly incomplete.
Had a look on the homologation date of the Turbo. As it's recognised as of February 1, 1983, that should not have been a problem, but delays in development of the actual cars could well have been.

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Here is a very good account of the various group A MG Metros in BTCC racing, telling that Watts did indeed race his first Metro in normally aspirated form before being upgrated to Turbo spec., but do read the original post.
Only problem with the information, is that to my notes Patrick Watts was present, but perhaps not starting, for round 2 at Oulton Park on April 1, 1983.

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Here is a very good account of the various group A MG Metros in BTCC racing, telling that Watts did indeed race his first Metro in normally aspirated form before being upgrated to Turbo spec., but do read the original post.
Only problem with the information, is that to my notes Patrick Watts was present, but perhaps not starting, for round 2 at Oulton Park on April 1, 1983.

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There's another account of this later in the thread if it helps
http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....6&postcount=51
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I can help with some of these- again, based on notes I took 20-odd years ago (...and have transcribed at least once...) plus articles in 'Performance Car' Magazine back issues that I've got (PC journalist Art Markus did a monthly BTCC review column under the title 'Art on A', which only gave partial results, but were quite good for pics and background)

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Thank you for your corrections and additions, Carrera - much appreciated details. I guess the 3600 cc loft covers the 1983-1986 group A period?

Now, here is what I got about 1983:

1983 RAC Tricentrol British Saloon Car Championship

Class A: 2500-3600 cc
Class B: 1601-2500 cc
Class C: up to 1600 cc (possible 0-1600 cc)

Round 1 – March 20, 1983, Silverstone

1./ #4 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #2 / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 2 – April 1, 1983, Oulton Park

1./ #2 / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.70s – class winner
2./ #3 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.89s
3./ #4 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m16.26s
4./ #31 / Jon Dooley / Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 23m46.97s – class winner
5./ #11 / Tony Lanfranchi / GM Dealer Sport / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 23m54.52s
6./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine? / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 24m09.22s
7./ #34? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 24m09.96s
8./ #60? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI / 20 laps in 24m21.74s – class winner
9./ #77 / Richard Longman / Datapost / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps
10./ #72 / Rob Hall / Lloyds? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps
unknown results for the remaining drivers
#10? / Charles Sawyer-Hoare / Equipe Esso / A / Rover Vitesse
#? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / Ford Capri 3.0S
#66 / Alan Curnow / Datapost/ C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Greenhalgh / Ordibel / C / VW Golf GTI
#86 / Alan Minshaw / Demon Tweeks/ C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Rob Kirby / Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#84/ Andrew Thorpe / Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#78? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro 1300
#? / Lionel Abbott / Abbott / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / Pegasus?/ C / Ford Fiesta XR2

Round 3 – April 4, 1983, Thruxton

1./ #3 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m31.85s – class winner
2./ #2 / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m32.04s
3./ #10 / Charles Sawyver-Hoare / Equipe Esso / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m06.57s
4./ #31 / Jon Dooley / ARDT / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m12.56s – class winner
5./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 31m17.92s
6./ #11 / Tony Lanfranchi / GMDS / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 31m25.75s
7./ #4 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m32.95s
8./ #34 / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m53.42s
9./ #? / Alan Greenhalgh / Ordibel/C / VW Golf GTI / 19 laps – class winner
10./ #? / Rob Kirby / ARDT / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti / 19 laps
The remaining positions once again unknown, but these are the drivers
#? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI
#? / Rob Hall / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI
#? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / C* / MG Metro*
#? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti
#? / Lionel Abbott / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i
#? / Jock Robertson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2
#? / Andy Driver / unknown / C / Toyota Corolla GT
*Listed as such in my notes, but thought it should be a class B MG Metro Turbo.

Round 4 – April 10, 1983, Brands Hatch
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 5 – May 30, 1983, Thruxton
1./ #3 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./#2/ Jeff Allam/ TWR/ A/ Rover Vitesse
3./#10/Charles Sawyer-Hoare/Equipe Esso/A/ Rover Vitesse
4./#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
5./#??/Graham Goode/Goode/A/Ford Capri 3.0S
6./#35?/Tony Pond/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
7./#??/Hamish Irvine/Irvine/B/Mazda RX7
8./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
9./#11/Tony Lanfranchi/GMDS/A/Opel Monza 3.0E
10./#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i

Class B
1./Rouse
2./Pond
3./Irvine

Class C
1./Curnow
2./Longman
3./#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks/C/VW Golf GTi
4./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
5./#78/Patrick Watts/Dowson/MG Metro 1300
6./#??/Lionel Abbott/Abbott/C/Ford Escort RS1600i


Round 6 – June 6, 1983, Silverstone
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 7 – June 25, 1983, Donington Park
1./#3/Peter Lovett/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
2./#19/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi
3./#11/Tony Lanfranchi/GMDS/A/Opel Monza 3.0E
4./#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
5./#35/Tony Pond/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
6./#??/Hamish Irvine/Irvine/B/Mazda RX7
7./#??/Mike Newman/Newman/A/Ford Capri 3.0S
8./#10/Charles Sawyer-Hoare/Equipe Esso/A/Rover Vitesse
9./#6?/Dennis Leech/Leech/Rover Vitesse
10./#60/John Morris/Morris Vulcan/VW Scirocco

Class C
1./Morris
2./#72/Rob Hall/Lloyds/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
3./#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks/C/VW Golf GTi
4./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
5./#??/Lionel Abbott/Abbott/C/Ford Escort RS1600i

DNF
#2/Jeff Allam/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#31/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
#??/Patrick Watts/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#??/Graham Goode/Goode/???? (either a Capri or the Nissan Bluebird?)
#??/Andrew Thorpe/ARDT/Alfa Romeo Alfasud
DNS#4/Steve Soper/TWR/Rover Vitesse
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Oops, missed the DNFs from Round 5 at Snetterton....

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#1/Win Percy/Hughes of Beaconsfield/A/Toyota Celica Supra
#84/Andrew Thorpe/ARDT/C/Alfa Romeo Alfasud
#??/Rob Kirby/ARDT/C/Alfa Romeo Alfasud
#31/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo Alfasud
#6/Dennis Leech/Leech/A/Rover Vitesse
#??/Tony Crudgington/RZ Racing/C/Toyota Corolla GT
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Round 7 – June 25, 1983, Donington Park
1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse

Round 8 – July 16, 1983, Silverstone
1./ #4 / Steve Soper/TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./#3/Peter Lovett/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
3./#2/Jeff Allam/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
4./#19/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi
5./ #20/ Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #1/ Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
7./#11/Tony Lanfranchi/GMDS/A/Opel Monza 3.0E

Class B
1./#31/Jon Dooley/ARDT/Alfa Romeo GTV6

Class C
1./#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/Ford Escort RS1600i
2./#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks/VW Golf GTi

DNF
#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6

Result unknown
#18./Dave Brodie/MidWest Colt/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
#69./Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#30./?? (maybe Hamish Irvine?)/B/Mazda RX7

DNS
#87?/Geoff Kimber-Smith/C/Toyota Corolla GT?

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Thank you for the updates so far, KA. Your info has already put a lot of meat on the rather bare bones I started with this afternoon.

Seing that Tony Crudgington and Geoff Kimber-Smith pops up in Toyota Corolla GTs or perhaps Toyota Corolla GTs. These must have been of the 8 valve TE71-type, as the never 16 valve AE86 was only homologated from January 1, 1984.

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Thank you for the updates so far, KA. Your info has already put a lot of meat on the rather bare bones I started with this afternoon.

Seing that Tony Crudgington and Geoff Kimber-Smith pops up in Toyota Corolla GTs or perhaps Toyota Corolla GTs. These must have been of the 8 valve TE71-type, as the never 16 valve AE86 was only homologated from January 1, 1984.

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No problem- I've still got quite a lot of gaps in the 1983-84 period as well, but do have some original source material (magazine articles etc) that I can refer to- most of it is 1985 onwards though

Re: Corollas, Is this the 'TE71'-shape Corolla?
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-31-066.jpg
If so, then definitely yes- I've got a pic of the Kimber-Smith car (accident-damaged) in an old Performance Car magazine, and it's definitely that shape. Win Percy, of course, had won the championship the previous year in one (see bottom right above the Rouse Rover:
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No problem- I've still got quite a lot of gaps in the 1983-84 period as well, but do have some original source material (magazine articles etc) that I can refer to- most of it is 1985 onwards though

Re: Corollas, Is this the 'TE71'-shape Corolla?
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-31-066.jpg
If so, then definitely yes- I've got a pic of the Kimber-Smith car (accident-damaged) in an old Performance Car magazine, and it's definitely that shape. Win Percy, of course, had won the championship the previous year in one (see bottom right above the Rouse Rover:
http://www.automobiliauk.com/images/btcc1_b.jpg )
Yes, that's the type of Corolla I'm referring to. Never a car that achieved much in group A, unlike it's successor, the AE86 as seen here!

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Yes, that's the type of Corolla I'm referring to. Never a car that achieved much in group A, unlike it's successor, the AE86 as seen here!

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Going a bit off-topic, but Per Eklund had a fair bit of success on the British Rally Championship with Toyota GB's example, pretty much dominating Group A in 1983, winning the category on 5 out of the 6 rounds with Toyota GB's Corolla 'PJD354Y'

Opposition was mainly Audi UK 's 80 Quattro, Chris Lord's RX7, the fragile and underpowered works-backed RS1600is of Malcolm Wilson and Louise Aitken-Walker, privateer Corollas, Manta GT/Es etc and the first TWR Rover appearances. Eklund achived some impressively high overall finishes though, 4th o/a on the Welsh and Scottish in entry lists that featured Blomqvist in a Quattro and some quick 2wd Group 4/Group B opposition

Incidentally, IIRC, Toyota GB used the 'Liftback' (as I think Toyota called it?) bodyshell
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...0024_large.jpg
rather than the Coupe version seen in the Spa 24 hours pics- Can't find a pic of the actual car anywhere.

Eklund got a 16-valve AE86 for 1984, and continued to be the man to beat in Group A on UK events until Pond and the big Rover started to appear more regularly

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Rarely am I in rally mode, but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised the TE71 was competive in the forrests - and not least with Per Eklund driving. I think the Corollas were decently solid cars coping with the rigours of rallying nicely.

For the circuits they were too heavy. I think the 1983 Danish Castrol/John Nielsen was quotet at something like 880 kgs or there about, 80 kgs above the minimum weight for 1600 cc cars.

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Sounds about right- heavy and probably a little underpowered with the 8-valve engine. Looking at Eklund's 1983 results, he scored better on the forest events (Mintex 3rd o/a, Welsh & Scottish 4th o/a) than on tarmac (Circuit of Ireland, DNF, Ulster & Manx 7th o/a) where weight and lack of bhp probably showed up more

No pics, but a little video- first appears about 2m20 into the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9q-Qod7xKM

Utterly off-topic, I learned to drive in an TE71 4-door!
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Sounds about right- heavy and probably a little underpowered with the 8-valve engine. Looking at Eklund's 1983 results, he scored better on the forest events (Mintex 3rd o/a, Welsh & Scottish 4th o/a) than on tarmac (Circuit of Ireland, DNF, Ulster & Manx 7th o/a) where weight and lack of bhp probably showed up more
About a 155 bhp was available from the aforementioned Castrol 8-valve TE71, while 185 bhp was possible according to what here in Denmark was called group 1+.


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No pics, but a little video- first appears about 2m20 into the clip
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9q-Qod7xKM
Lots of British rallying videos on youtube, I must say. Clearly showing the Corolla Liftback of Per Eklund.

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My driving lessons happened in an early 1980s BMW 518 - to continue the over weight/under powered theme.

I will return a little later with what I've got on the 1986 season.

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I've still got a couple of '83 results to add as well, so I'll post them later

I think I've got most of '86
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Sorry, please go ahead with the remaining 1983 results. I was about to go to sleep when I rounded off last night. 1986 not quite ready yet, anyway.

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Sorry, please go ahead with the remaining 1983 results. I was about to go to sleep when I rounded off last night. 1986 not quite ready yet, anyway.

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No problem- just three rounds to go for '83, and I don't have complete details for any of them- and a couple of queries of my own...

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Round 9 – August 8, 1983, Donington Park
1./ #4? / Steve Soper/TWR/ A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #20? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
3./ #1 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
4./#??/Gordon Spice/ Martin Thomas?/A/Rover Vitesse
5./#??/Mike Newman/Newman/A/Ford Capri 3.0S
6./#??/Tony Pond/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
7./#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6

DNF
#2/Jeff Allam/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
#3/Peter Lovett/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
#19/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi
#60/John Morris/Morris Vulcan/C/VW Golf GTi
#??/Hamish Irvine/Irvine/B/Mazda RX7

also present AFAIK

#18/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
#??/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
#??/Patrick Watts/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#72/Rob Hall/Lloyds/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks/C/VW Golf GTi



Round 10 – August 29, 1983, Brands Hatch
1 . / #3 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./#4/Steve Soper/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
3./ #20 / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
4./#2/Jeff Allam/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse
5 / #??/Gordon Spice/Martin Thomas?/A/Rover Vitesse
6./#11/Tony Lanfranchi/GMDS/A/Opel Monza 3.0E
7./#10/Charles Sawyer-Hoare/Equipe Esso/A/Rover Vitesse
8./#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
9./#??/Hamish Irvine/Irvine/B/Mazda RX7
10./#??/Brian Chatfield/Chatfield/A/Ford Capri 3.0S

Class B:
1./Rouse
2./Irvine
3./#??/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6

Class C:
1./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
2./#72/Rob Hall/Lloyds/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
3./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i
4./#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks./C/VW Golf GTi
5./#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i

DNF
#1 / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra
#??/Tony Pond/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#??/Patrick Watts/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#18/Dave Brodie/Colt Cars Mid-West/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo



Round 11 – October 2, 1983, Silverstone
1./ #2/ Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
2./ #4 / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
3./ #18/ David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
4./ #3 / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse
5./ #20/ Jonathan Palmer / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi
6./ #11/ Tony Lanfranchi / GMDS/ A / Opel Monza 3.0E
7?./#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 (not sure if overall position is correct, but 1st in class)

DNF?#1/Win Percy/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra
DNF#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks/C/VW Golf GTi
DNF#??/Rob Kirby/ARDT/C/Alfa Romeo Alfasud

Result unknown
#??/Tony Pond/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#??/Patrick Watts/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#??/Martin Brundle/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo
#??/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6
#??/Hamish Irvine/Irvine/B/Mazda RX7
#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- possibly 1st Class C?
#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- possibly 2nd Class C?
#77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- possibly 2nd Class C?
#60/John Morris/Maguire/C/VW Scirocco or Golf?
#100/Richard Lloyd/GTI Engineering/VW Golf GTi

DNS?
#??/Jenny Birrell/??/C/Toyota Corolla GT (Entrant unknown, but possibly the 1982 Championship winning ex-Win Percy Hughes of Beaconsfield Corolla?)

I've got a report of the last two rounds from Performance Car magazine- I'll have another look at it, to see if it clears up the questions I've included

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My first car was a KE70 4 door, identical to your picture. In Toyota speak the first letter denotes the engine series. i.e. the AE86 had the 4A-GE powerplant and my KE70 had the 3K-C engine. E is for Corolla and 70 or 86 is for version 7.0 or version 8.6
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The Corolla liftback/hatchback was in its very early days of development in 1983. It certainly rank in Europe but was not a competitive proposition in the UK until 1986. Its class was largely the domain of the Escort RS1600i and VW Golf 1.6 GTi 8v in Europe with only John Nielsen's car being quick in the ETC for example.

Things might have very different if Chris Hodgetts wasn't racing Ford Escorts until the end of 1985, as CHMS may have come into being sooner and the Escort may not have had a look in.

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The Corolla liftback/hatchback was in its very early days of development in 1983. It certainly ran in Europe but was not a competitive proposition in the UK until 1986. Its class was largely the domain of the Escort RS1600i and VW Golf GTi 1.6 8v in Europe with only John Nielsen's car being quick in the ETC for example.

Things might have very different if Chris Hodgetts wasn't racing Ford Escorts until the end of 1985, as CHMS may have come into being sooner and the Escort may not have had a look in.
Toyota Corolla 1600 GT / TE71s from Spa 1983:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-31-066.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-31-068.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-31-073.jpg

Note that the Belgian Toyotas #66 and #68 running four stud wheels (presumably cars prepared for the national Belgian Group A series), while the #73 John Nielsen car has center lock wheels as the ETCC was scheduled for 1983. To my knowledge John Nielsen was a Toyota dealer and Danish TOM'S importer, but only did a selected programme of ETCC events combining it with domistic Group A. This is the 8-valve version being replaced by the new generation 16-valve AE86 for 1984, again at Spa:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-060.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-061.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-063.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-064.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-065.jpg

From a general perspective the TE71 was too overweight without any power advantage for its day in circuit racing, while the AE86 should have had potential with its 16-valve engine. Toyota saw the AE86, based un the previous TE71, as a Group A clubman-spec rally car and apparently never exploided its potential on the circuits – I presume from the frustations of John Nielsen, Chris Hodgetts, Tony Niovanni, Bernhard Bühler and Georg Alber and by 1985 by countless Japanese Toyota affiliated tems (Their first year of Group A). By the summer of 1985 the front wheel drive AE82 hatch back was homologated, which started the move toward circuit homologation specials. By 1988 Phil Dowsett enjoyed 200 bhp from his AE86 competitors Geoff Kimber-Smith and Tony Crudgington's 180-185 bhp – simply by TRD (Toyota Racing Development)? homologating new parts on the FWD and leaving the RWD with nothing – and as this Corolla-generation was rappidly beeing replaced by a new one.

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Decent research and info there Jesper.

These various Group A and BTCC threads have really developed into some fascinating and highly enjoyable discussion thanks to yours, KA's and other's input.

Well done indeed!

I confess I hadn't realised that the Corolla was as prevailent prior to 1984, even in the ETC.

The other car I always thought we should've seen more of is the Mk1 Golf GTi. I know messrs Minshaw and Morris were very successful with their cars in Group 1 and then in 1983. Considering it was roughly on par with the RS1600i, it seemed to stop being competitive in Britain after that with Alan Greenhalgh the only Golf entrant in 1984. other than Minshaw's Mk2 Class B car.

Were they an expensive car to run in comparison to the Escort and Corolla I wonder?
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The other car I always thought we should've seen more of is the Mk1 Golf GTi. I know messrs Minshaw and Morris were very successful with their cars in Group 1 and then in 1983. Considering it was roughly on par with the RS1600i, it seemed to stop being competitive in Britain after that with Alan Greenhalgh the only Golf entrant in 1984. other than Minshaw's Mk2 Class B car.

Were they an expensive car to run in comparison to the Escort and Corolla I wonder?
Yes, looking back it's surprising how quickly the 1600cc Mk1 Golf disappeared from the series, given that quite a few were still active in Europe as late as 1987...
Minshaw moved on to the 1800cc Mk2 in '84, and Greenhalgh quit at the end of that year, and that was it- None of the cars seem to have appeared in other hands, and if the GTI Engineering Group A demonstrator that Richard Lloyd had for sale at the end of '83 ever found a buyer, then they certainly didn't use it in the BTCC
So what was the reason- as you suggest costs, lack of support from VW GB, or difficulty in the supply of Group A parts- Or was it simply a case of Ford offering a better deal for RS1600i runners?
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