Alternative 6 hour?

[Peter Mallett]

It does seem to have legs doesn't it?

[Tim Falce]

Being a pessimist and realistic the downside of all this will be the cost. We pay around £200 for a fifteen minute race so a six hour could come in near £5K, that's more than double the Spa entry so I can't see many people taking it up.

[johngee]

Originally Posted by falcemob

Being a pessimist and realistic the downside of all this will be the cost. We pay around £200 for a fifteen minute race so a six hour could come in near £5K, that's more than double the Spa entry so I can't see many people taking it up.

There's a big ecomomy of scale. A quick 'back of an envelope' calculation, bearing in mind that you've got to have qualifying time, would mean a whole day's track and infrastructure cost. I reckon you could do it for an entry fee of comfortably less than £2k.....probably nearer £1.5k but much would depend on entry numbers....I'm assuming between 30 and 40.

[johngee]

Originally Posted by delta

Right i recon this is a great idea the first job is too find a sponsor.!!!

In the present climate I don't think hard cash would be forthcoming. Better to think in terms of 'indirect' sponsorship such as free/subsidised fuel or tyres...that sort of thing?

[terence bower]

Even at a target figure of £1750,that would [dependant on entries]be quite a bit cheaper than the 2500Eu for Spa.All it would need is an interesting circuit,nothing worse than just plugging around and around some boring venue!With 35 cars that gives £61.250,I'm sure there would be enough revenue for the hiring of any UK circuit?
Iain,any chance of you having a word with your mate Ross?

[Peter Mallett]

Time of day is important too. Don't forget you'd have to tack this on to another event so the marshals will be around for a longer time. An evening race of four hours (rather than six) might be better.

People seem to like Angelssey and if it has no noise problems it may well suit.

[johngee]

How about setting an upfront entry fee of say £2k. Then, after paying all the costs, including an organiser's fee for the permit holding club, distribute any profit back to the entrants?

[johngee]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Time of day is important too. Don't forget you'd have to tack this on to another event so the marshals will be around for a longer time. An evening race of four hours (rather than six) might be better.

People seem to like Angelssey and if it has no noise problems it may well suit.

Peter - I'd be surprised if a club would take it on as part of an existing meeting. Even a 4 hour race with qualifying would be, I think, be disruptive and unattractive. Better to think in terms of a 6 hour and make it a standalone one day event....with perhaps just a couple of short supporting races.

[terence bower]

Good idea John,as Peter said,there would be some track time available for selling off to other Series as well.This all seems rather familiar,I seem to remember Ms Foulston suggesting that she would be doing something similar when she took over the reigns of BH.

[andy97]

Before we all get over excited, I just thought I'd refer us all back to the OP as it might be worth developing a consensus on the types of car that are eligible. These things start to take on a momentum of their own and I wouldn't want this to end up as a "Classic Britcar" (with associated bling) fest!! I would be concerned to have the max number of eligible cars compete, but without frightening away the cars/ owners of more "normal" cars.

Originally Posted by Podd37

would there be any interest in a race of say 4/6 hours for cars up to 1980, maybe newer, split into age groups (pre '70, 80 etc) and engine classes within that, running to CSCC/ FISC/ Maxi 1000 type regs? I.E. cars that look like they should (no big arches/ wings etc) but relatively free under the skin on E marked tyres or Dunlop historics.

Peter also said;

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

If it were to run to CSCC regs then it does open up the opportunities for interesting interpretations of historic cars.

but my interpretaion of this is that cars should also be fitted with original type engines & induction systems and should not have outlandish bodywork. Road legal tyres only (List 1a or 1b).

[terence bower]

So then it would need to be decided on what cars would be allowed in.List 1B etc leaves quite a big choice,would it be better to have a control tyre,D98 for example?

[andy97]

Originally Posted by johngee

Peter - I'd be surprised if a club would take it on as part of an existing meeting. Even a 4 hour race with qualifying would be, I think, be disruptive and unattractive. Better to think in terms of a 6 hour and make it a standalone one day event....with perhaps just a couple of short supporting races.

IF it was to be Anglesey, many events seem to get relatively poor grids due to the travel distance for many southern based racers (!). Some clubs run two day meetings there & so have double the expense & risk, however, a 6 hour race with qualifying on one day & a normal race meeting on the second day may be an attractive proposition for some clubs. IF the interest that seems to be being generated here translates to actual entries!!

[andy97]

Originally Posted by terence bower

So then it would need to be decided on what cars would be allowed in.List 1B etc leaves quite a big choice,would it be better to have a control tyre,D98 for example?

Control tyres could start adding additional cost in my view....unless a company was interested in a one off sponsorship deal. You also have the problem of appropriate tye sizes being available for all cars. Just better to leave the tyre choice relatively wide & let the individual decide what best suits.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by andy97

but my interpretaion of this is that cars should also be fitted with original type engines & induction systems and should not have outlandish bodywork. Road legal tyres only (List 1a or 1b).

Agreed. I was going to post that same thing. I think it has to be classic based simply because you'd get the car clubs interested. That may well put a natural age limit on things so perhaps stop at 1979?

Cars must be production based not prototypes or sports racers with original panel material (no f/glass alloy substitutes).

MSA/FIA safety regs apply.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Agreed. I was going to post that same thing. I think it has to be classic based simply because you'd get the car clubs interested. That may well put a natural age limit on things so perhaps stop at 1979?

Cars must be production based not prototypes or sports racers with original panel material (no f/glass alloy substitutes).

MSA/FIA safety regs apply.

I was hoping to stretch it to at least 1985 so my Fiat was eligible(!!!) and preferably to 1993 so my Toyota might get to race (and it might attract the pre 1993 cars from the Toyo series), that would still make the cars 16 years old.