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20 Nov 2010, 00:06
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How much media did Porches wins give compared to Audi's fights with Peugeot!?.
Manufactures will ONLY go to Lmp2 if they can win overall!, otherwise there is no PR in the victories.
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a transition period... to the complete perversion of the LMS.. only Pug with diesel and for sure diesel will be in a grave danger of being abolished... too boring having always the same winning!.. unless Mercedes or some Japanese crash the anti-sport spree party.
[geezzz... even the petrol sacred caw BMW has seen the light... 1.5 L 3 cylinder turbo diesel for the M3 hybrid GOING PRODUCTION http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-vision-eff...rts-car/16865/ ]
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20 Nov 2010, 00:18
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No. Perhaps Capelo did!
???... or!?... perhaps he knows[or hopes] that diesel is going to be abolished (BP/money talks lauder). Otherwise he can kiss good chances of overall victories goodbye(better to have a LMP2 then).
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This is too much!
Do you really thing you know better than a works Audi driver!
Seriously, how old are you!, you remind me, of me when i was at age 12-13, because you see conspiracy everywhere!.
Believe me, sometimes the majority is right, and this is the case...
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20 Nov 2010, 00:20
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Originally Posted by CTD
How much media did Porches wins give compared to Audi's fights with Peugeot!?.
Manufactures will ONLY go to Lmp2 if they can win overall!, otherwise there is no PR in the victories.
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Manufacturers are forbidden from entering LMP2:
"b/ "LE MANS" PROTOTYPE 2 ("LM"P2): open or closed (*)
car, destined only to privateers."
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20 Nov 2010, 00:27
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Then a transition petrol LMP1...
OTOH i believe Capelo statement is only pure misinformation (bluff).
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20 Nov 2010, 00:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CTD
This is too much!
Do you really thing you know better than a works Audi driver!
Seriously, how old are you!, you remind me, of me when i was at age 12-13, because you see conspiracy everywhere!.
Believe me, sometimes the majority is right, and this is the case...
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Much older than you... and instead of trying to insult... get informed.. search/google... see the link i presented... don't be naive.
[BMW is going right against the "die hard" majority in all the line... can you guess why ?]
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20 Nov 2010, 01:12
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Capelo :
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There is a lot of talk about hybrid tech,but actually Audi is not interessed to follow this way and I think the diesel will soon also be set aside for new projects that are at studio.
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Actually Capelo in his 'bluff' seems to confirm that 2011 Audi will be on diesel... " will soon be set aside"... but 'not now'(?)... otherwise what would be the danger of stating that it will be a petrol... if the majority of sentiment is that its better even against all evidence of contrary ? ...
.. and also he seems to confirm that 2011 Audi will not be a hybrid (meaning NO electric motorization - and not excluding energy recuperation and electric drive of engine auxiliaries)... " Audi is not interested" (??)... is too peremptory for my taste, specially when its clear that hybrid is the future, and a clear marketing trump (but can make sense, +10l fuel tank is better than the electric motorization potential of 2011 rules).
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20 Nov 2010, 08:41
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@hcl123: Please stick to the topic of this thread: the R18 which Audi will race in 2011. Capello is referring to the future LMP rules (see here for ACO meeting minutes on that subject). With the proposed minimum weight of 775 kg, a small turbocharged petrol engine is the way to go, because a diesel engine will be too heavy.
Moreover, other Audi people have said that Audi is more interested in lighter cars instead of a hybrid drivetrain. However, if the rules require a hybrid drivetrain in order to be successful, they will surely use it.
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20 Nov 2010, 09:15
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No minimum weight change for this set of rules because the ACO feels that would one factor too many to equalise; at least that was the news in July. It would help if there was an official rulebook out to rely on...
The info we have is that Audi might go for a coupe because they feel open tops no longer give quicker pitstops, that they don't seem interested in hybrids because they don't sell one and that some claim a diesel V6 is coming whilst others claim it's a turbo 4. And there's the front tire size speculation too. In the end, we won't know for sure until Audi tells us and everything on top of that is speculation: your OPINION is as good as anyone else's so don't be pushy. Thanks.
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20 Nov 2010, 09:37
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BTW yesterday the Volkswagen group announced that they will invest heavily in the development of hybrid and electric cars.
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At €27.7 billion, the Group will spend most of the total amount to be invested in property, plant and equipment in the Automotive Division on modernizing and extending the product range of all its brands. The main focus will be on new vehicles, successor models and derivatives in almost all vehicle classes based on modular technology. This will allow the Volkswagen Group to systematically continue its model rollout with a view to tapping new markets and segments. In powertrain production, new generations of engines will be launched with enhanced performance, fuel consumption and emission levels. The Group will continue driving forward the development of hybrid and electric motors in particular.
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source: Volkswagen Group to invest €51.6 billion in the coming five years
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20 Nov 2010, 10:05
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20 Nov 2010, 13:39
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Is that an Augeot or a Peudi? 
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20 Nov 2010, 15:23
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Originally Posted by gwyllion
@hcl123: Please stick to the topic of this thread: the R18 which Audi will race in 2011. Capello is referring to the future LMP rules (see here for ACO meeting minutes on that subject). With the proposed minimum weight of 775 kg, a small turbocharged petrol engine is the way to go, because a diesel engine will be too heavy.
Moreover, other Audi people have said that Audi is more interested in lighter cars instead of a hybrid drivetrain. However, if the rules require a hybrid drivetrain in order to be successful, they will surely use it. |
What are you complaining about ?... by your own post i've been more on topic than anybody else. How do you design a car with prospects of scalability for the future ?
SO... the future that is purposed is a "communistic" view of everybody on a small petrol engine with close to motorcycle weight vehicle...
AND IT WILL BE IMPOSED... it must be arbitrary, otherwise it will not stick... because even BMW seems to demonstrate(for civil use) that diesel is neither too heavy or too underpowered with small volume displacements(1.5L for a M3 !?).
(c'mon?... even Audi stated that its V12 aluminum diesel was only 20Kg heavier than an equivalent petrol one - had they opted for petrol)
So why not Audi go with the schizophrenic spree and opt for a petrol for 2011 !? ... only if Pug weren't for sure on diesel, because then the sole contender on diesel would have a great theoretical advantage( but nothing that rules can't twist-- in 2007 ALMS the R10(995Kg) run with 200Kg(75kg penalty) more and with much smaller restrictors than the Penske Porsche(775Kg) which had a reduction/benefit from the original 850Kg, yet Audi won most of the races - so in 2008 ALMS diesel got even smaller restrictores and Porsche larger ones.
My point is this rule twisting on middle of seasons, is what must make a good deal of thinking about constructing a car around a diesel engine... lets get clear: - ITS NOT WANTED, no matter if superclearly superior(isn't it schizophrenic ?)... and of course Audi is not immune.. neither is Capelo a foul.
ACO ruining the sport ?... way to go ACO!
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20 Nov 2010, 15:27
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Whatever, I like it...
So, petrol or diesel?
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20 Nov 2010, 16:00
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Whatever, I like it...
So, petrol or diesel?
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Capello says Diesel  .
I think Audi got burnt with the original R15 with there innovation, and therefor starts with a safe spot with a diesel engine in a conservative design that they know will last and be quick.
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20 Nov 2010, 16:03
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Is that an Augeot or a Peudi? |
Could it be the R18 ?
It doesn't seem fake in any way and it must be recent, because the R15+ base its recent.
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