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Old 26 Jan 2011, 22:26   #751
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Old 26 Jan 2011, 22:30   #752
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I just noticed that there are two R18's there. There #1 and #2
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Old 26 Jan 2011, 22:36   #753
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Amazing find! It looks killer and the R15 looks unchanged
I'm loving the new car personally. It's difficult to tell how a car will truly look until you see it on a track. It's fair to say the R18 looks amazing.
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Old 26 Jan 2011, 23:52   #754
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It looks like James has scooped some folks!
His usual cracking shots, too, with his new kit. I look forward to his shots from the race!
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The only thing that says that there may be something up with the R15 is the large wheel bulges. And even at that, there may be something else going on--like Audi actually fixing the suspension setup issues from last year in testing without resorting to the wider tires.

It also seems that the front diffuser has more of a bulge to it inboard of the front fenders, but that can be (and seems to be at this stage) and illusion/camera angle.

And to be truly on topic, it seems that there are obvioulsy at least two working R18s in the world now. And while the R15 is in sprint race trim, the R18's seem to be in LM spec.
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The only thing that says that there may be something up with the R15 is the large wheel bulges. And even at that, there may be something else going on--like Audi actually fixing the suspension setup issues from last year in testing without resorting to the wider tires.

It also seems that the front diffuser has more of a bulge to it inboard of the front fenders, but that can be (and seems to be at this stage) and illusion/camera angle.

And to be truly on topic, it seems that there are obvioulsy at least two working R18s in the world now. And while the R15 is in sprint race trim, the R18's seem to be in LM spec.
If it (the R15) was a test mule they wouldn't have bothered painting it (note the R18). That's the same exact car that raced at Petit last year. And as I've been saying since December, sources close to Audi have reaffirmed to me that the ACO is not allowing any changes to pre-2011 cars. This is as laid out in the 2011 regulations and as reiterated by the ACO. I really don't know how to make that any clearer.
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I still think the cars will rely on smoother aero this year. Not so much more downforce, but the ability to punch a hole through the air 'cleaner', have a better drag coefficient. Anyone agree?
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If it (the R15) was a test mule they wouldn't have bothered painting it (note the R18). That's the same exact car that raced at Petit last year. And as I've been saying since December, sources close to Audi have reaffirmed to me that the ACO is not allowing any changes to pre-2011 cars. This is as laid out in the 2011 regulations and as reiterated by the ACO. I really don't know how to make that any clearer.
So Audi will only race the R15+, and not the rumored R15++?
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So Audi will only race the R15+, and not the rumored R15++?
"R15++" = R15+ with smaller restrictors, smaller boost, smaller fuel tank. End of story. Just read MulsanneMike's post(s).
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"R15++" = R15+ with smaller restrictors, smaller boost, smaller fuel tank. End of story. Just read MulsanneMike's post(s).
This i know, But i was referring to the upgrades to the car indicated by the "+".
Usually Audi doesn't add something to the name, unless they have changed something major. (Like Rear at the front, tyre setup)
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This i know, But i was referring to the upgrades to the car indicated by the "+".
Usually Audi doesn't add something to the name, unless they have changed something major. (Like Rear at the front, tyre setup)
Well we know the only changes on the car, we're not sure whether they amount to a slight name change. In any case, the changes they'd have to make don't affect the car on the outside and that's why it looks exactly the same.
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Usually Audi doesn't add something to the name, unless they have changed something major. (Like Rear at the front, tyre setup)
Not true. Just look at Audi's DTM cars. The changes between the R12 (2005) and R12+ (2006) and the R14 (2008) and R14+(2009) are very minimal. Externally these cars are the same.
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But then again, the Audi R8 had major body changes done to if in '01, and more in '02, and it never got a + designation. Same for the R10, especially by '08.

Either Audi is insulting our intelligence, or they have some cards they're not showing, and I'm not sure if it's wider tires--possibly some front suspension tweaks to overcome the grip problems from last year? Perhaps this speculation should be put in the/a R15 thread?

But then again, Audi doesn't appear to have a HD kit for the R18, or, for whatever reason, isn't running it (and we know that Audi had a HD kit for the R15 last year--mostly carryover bits from the '09 R15--but didn't use it until after Le Mans). Audi probably has those bits, and I know that they don't intend to run the R18 at Sebring, but are they willing to throw away Spa due to running an LM aero kit there? I doubt that, but it may depend on how the R15 does at Sebring and if the new Pugs have issues.

EDIT: Fourtitude has a piece on the R18 and R15 test at Sebring: http://forums.fourtitude.com/entry.p...n-Sebring-Test

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james boone says the r18 did not have the pace of the r15+(+) at sebring this time around.
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Where did he say that? The fourtitude piece has some comments from him and he only says the R18 made less noise.
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