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17 Jun 2011, 09:26
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I have to disagree about the timed pitstops
A fundamental skill of endurance racing is slick pitwork. Just because some crews aren't pro's or as quick as others shouldn't mean the ones that have got the job down pat should be disadvantaged... whats next a standardised lap time because some of the drivers aren't pro's?
Look at Le Mans last week, crucial ground was made and lost in the pits between all the leaders, its a crucial aspect and part of the appeal of an enduro.
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And the crucial ground was made with pit equipment designed by NASA! And priced accordingly... I would suggest that in the current formative years of this race, and its newness in integration into a world tour of enduro events, that the locals may find themselves disadvantaged...
Or perhaps they shall rent one of the 14 VESA team crews for the race weekend to do the tyre changes...
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17 Jun 2011, 09:58
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Originally Posted by Shane001
Well if that's what the European GT teams are used to, then 
Will be a bit weird for us aussies watching though. And yep I reckon I could name at least one Commodore Cup team that will enter 
Let's hope they get a decent GT field all the same. It'd be great to see a good variety of current GT spec cars including Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mercedes, and the Audi's back again. |
What Commodore Cup team/teams are considering entering?
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17 Jun 2011, 10:28
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Didn't say I knew who was considering entering, just that I could name at least one that probably would. Then again though if they were going to enter this event I doubt they'd enter a Commodore Cup car anyway.
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17 Jun 2011, 11:47
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I don't see the problem with older cars being involved. Surely the point of this sort of multi-class racing is the sheer diversity? Just like being on the road, some drive a Ferrari and some a 20 year old Toyota hatchback. The skill of being fast is then not just about driving quickly but of managing the traffic - really sorts the men from the boys.
Way back it used to be the same with ETCC (European Touring Cars). A bunch of Rovers, Jags, 635s and big Volvos at the front, a local enthusiast in his Ford Escort at the back. In my opinion the best way of understanding just how quick a well sorted GT car is is to stick it on track with something a bit more road car like. Awesome to watch and a challenge to race. Proper motorsports, in other words.
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22 Jun 2011, 11:08
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Reported from the 24H Dubai website
We have already received the entries of two European teams: Belgian outfit VDS Racing Adventures with a Ford Mustang, the winners of last month's 12H HUNGARY, and the Dutch Red Camel Racing team with a SEAT Leon TDI, says Gerrie Willems. We are confident that we can attract more teams from Europe or the Middle East to race at the Bathurst 12 hour and we are looking forward to a great partnership with our friends in Australia!
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24 Jun 2011, 08:37
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Originally Posted by davo.
Reported from the 24H Dubai website
We have already received the entries of two European teams: Belgian outfit VDS Racing Adventures with a Ford Mustang, the winners of last month's 12H HUNGARY, and the Dutch Red Camel Racing team with a SEAT Leon TDI, says Gerrie Willems. We are confident that we can attract more teams from Europe or the Middle East to race at the Bathurst 12 hour and we are looking forward to a great partnership with our friends in Australia!
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Story here
Somehow I shouldnt think a GT3 Mustang will be a patch on a GT3 Audi... but we shall see quite soon!
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24 Jun 2011, 08:57
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Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Story here
Somehow I shouldnt think a GT3 Mustang will be a patch on a GT3 Audi... but we shall see quite soon!
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GTR, you're probably right but maybe the 'stang has extra torque and might be more suited to the mountain.........interesting entry anyway.
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24 Jun 2011, 08:57
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Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Story here
Somehow I shouldn't think a GT3 Mustang will be a patch on a GT3 Audi... but we shall see quite soon!
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V8. Torque. Bathurst. As long as it has decent punters behind the wheel it'll go OK.
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25 Jun 2011, 06:00
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Great to see Marc VDS and their Mustang entered, hopefully this is just the beginning as far as international entries are concerned. The Mustang should be quicker in a straight line and the Audi quicker over the top so they are more evenly matched except that VDS arent exactly Joest but then again most teams dont have the resources they have.
Hopefully we see the likes of Reiter and a few Mercedes (Black Falcon?) teams down here too.
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25 Jun 2011, 08:54
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Originally Posted by rich07
Great to see Marc VDS and their Mustang entered, hopefully this is just the beginning as far as international entries are concerned. The Mustang should be quicker in a straight line and the Audi quicker over the top so they are more evenly matched except that VDS arent exactly Joest but then again most teams dont have the resources they have.
Hopefully we see the likes of Reiter and a few Mercedes (Black Falcon?) teams down here too.
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Is it Marc VDS or VDS Racing Adventures (or are they one in the same?)
I know Marc van der Stretton is Count Rudi's grandson(?), but Marc VDS originally started out as "Belgian Racing" running the Gillet Vertigo in FIA GT's in the mid 90s.... is VDS Racing Adventures a decendant of the famous VDS Racing that Rudi ran? Getting pedantic i know...
Ofcourse VDS Racing does have history in Australia, taking Warwick Brown to the 1977 and 1978 Rothmans International F5000 Series victories
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26 Jun 2011, 05:14
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Is it Marc VDS or VDS Racing Adventures (or are they one in the same?)
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It appears they are two different teams, apologies, I mistook VDS Racing Adventures for Marc VDS who race in FIA GT1 and also race a Mustang in FIA GT3. And there are a number of satellite teams within the Marc VDS team which is even more confusing. It appears VDS Racing Adv run an older Mustang and Marc VDS run the newer Mustang that is being developed with Multimatic in Canada.
Not sure if there is much a link between Marc VDS and VDS Racing Adventures.
Here are their webpages btw:
Marc VDS http://www.marcvds.com/
VDS Racing Adventures http://www.vds-racing.be/vds/
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26 Jun 2011, 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davo.
Reported from the 24H Dubai website
We have already received the entries of two European teams: Belgian outfit VDS Racing Adventures with a Ford Mustang, the winners of last month's 12H HUNGARY, and the Dutch Red Camel Racing team with a SEAT Leon TDI, says Gerrie Willems. We are confident that we can attract more teams from Europe or the Middle East to race at the Bathurst 12 hour and we are looking forward to a great partnership with our friends in Australia!
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Red Camel = Creventic
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27 Jun 2011, 00:16
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Both VDS teams as far as I know have a link back to Marc Van Der Straten - I'm not too sure how deep the links/bank accounts links go but I am pretty sure they are related.
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27 Jun 2011, 05:04
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I hope that this Bathurst 12 Hours grows in international relevance with this agreement. I'd love them to keep Aussie cars, but as Davo says,
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Originally Posted by davo.
Fair enough if Commodore Cup were running VY/VZ Commodores, but for me VS Commodores are a bit ancient for this event.
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Same for Falcons BA/BF and AU.
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27 Jun 2011, 22:43
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this has brought something from the back of my mind to the front... what did the Zukanovic's end up doing with their Mustang(s?) from a couple of years ago?
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