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9 May 2012, 20:44
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Teams have won LeMans without prior racing, even though that's uncommon these days. Anyway Alex Wurz is tweeting helmet pictures, could he be done testing?
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9 May 2012, 20:49
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Nic Lapierre tweeted this photo about 10hours into the test...
http://img.ly/i2MZ
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9 May 2012, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Dario911
The recipe to win in Le Mans is simple: test and race your car before to be in la Sarthe in June
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Exactly ..... not like Henri is doing !!!
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9 May 2012, 21:50
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As a fan of the sport I am hoping they complete all 30 hours. Having them be somewhat capable of competing with Audi will be a huge boost to Le Mans and the rest of the WEC this year.
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9 May 2012, 22:01
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Only taking the last 20-30 years into account, has Le Mans ever been won by a new car that has not been raced at least once before?
It seems like an utterly impossible task, especially facing four Audis. A podium would be a mega result for Toyota, I think even that's out of reach though.
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9 May 2012, 22:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pach233
As a fan of the sport I am hoping they complete all 30 hours. Having them be somewhat capable of competing with Audi will be a huge boost to Le Mans and the rest of the WEC this year.
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No worries there then mate, they've shown they can get a car to go the distanche.
At least with the TS010 and the glorious TS020 they did.
It'll be a great fight. Anyone who thinks the race is allready won, is in for surprise...   
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9 May 2012, 22:30
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Originally Posted by Dario911
I think Toyota would be more interested to discover the behaviour of the car in a real race, than going to Le Mans hoping in a good BoP. They could discover more things in a real race, than in a mere simulation. Only in a race, you can test all the possible situations. I think it could be a serious risk to arrive in Le Mans to discover a car not so performing in race conditions, and with a not so favorable BoP as they hoped for.
Rather, I think Toyota is trying to improve the car avoiding a direct comparison with Audi, maybe for the suspect troubles to its hybrid system.
On the other hand the exit of Ishiura from the team could be related to their necessity to have more experienced drivers in LMP1 and endurance races.
Formula 1 drivers are not experienced in endurance, but on the other way they are experienced on fast cars, in a competitive series. Le Mans is becoming year by year closer to a sprint 24 Hours race, and fast drivers can be determining for the global performance of the car. Much more than in the past.
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As you quite rightly say 'sprint 24 hours' that's why F1 drivers are recruited as teams need consistant flat out laps (even if a certain commentator has issues with ex F1 drivers). F1 drivers are also able to put a hot lap together in one or two laps...it's what they have to do in Qually e.g. Davidson with his 100% record of Poles for Peugoet, usually in two laps regardless of traffic!
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9 May 2012, 22:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acid09
Only taking the last 20-30 years into account, has Le Mans ever been won by a new car that has not been raced at least once before?
It seems like an utterly impossible task, especially facing four Audis. A podium would be a mega result for Toyota, I think even that's out of reach though.
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Wholly agree that Toyota's run up makes it vanishingly unlikely they'll win this time out, and suspect everyone at Toyota would agree with you too.
Closest I come on thinking on a car that raced first at Le Mans is the Porsche WSC95 of 1996 - Time and Two Seats is on the other side of the room and the cat is fairly profoundly asleep on lap so can't check, but gut feeling is after they walked out of Daytona in 1995 Le Mans the following year was the first appearance.
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9 May 2012, 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acid09
Only taking the last 20-30 years into account, has Le Mans ever been won by a new car that has not been raced at least once before?
It seems like an utterly impossible task, especially facing four Audis. A podium would be a mega result for Toyota, I think even that's out of reach though.
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Originally Posted by GTfour
No worries there then mate, they've shown they can get a car to go the distanche.
At least with the TS010 and the glorious TS020 they did.
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ACID...i think the TS020 begs to differ. no prior racing and it set the stage on fire with pace. theres no reason why the TS030 shouldnt be quick. i dont think it will be reliable. too many odds against toyota but fast is good. ill be happy with the Toyota being fastest Hybrid that stays ahead of audi until it breaks or whatever
Last edited by tyronnezx; 9 May 2012 at 23:01.
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9 May 2012, 23:34
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even if the car didn't race, toyota has the ace in the hole to have the knownledge of wurz and davidson. These 2 guys can tell to TMG how much the performance of ts030 is close to the 908 (wurz for sure can compare the car also to the 908HY4).
Surely audi cars have a great advantage, but remember:
2010, 4 908 HDi entered and 4 908 HDi DNF
2011, 3 R18 TDI entered and just 1 survived
maybe toyota has still 1% to success, if fate helps
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10 May 2012, 00:02
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Could the hybrid system possible serve as a back up alternator? If it can turn the wheels then it can crank the engine right?
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10 May 2012, 02:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Articus
Could the hybrid system possible serve as a back up Starter? If it can turn the wheels then it can crank the engine right?
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I mean Starter motor.
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10 May 2012, 06:12
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Quote:
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2 hours later Buemi wrote this tweet:
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Originally Posted by @Sebastien_buemi
Just finished my stint in Aragon in the @Toyota_Hybrid! @antdavidson is in the car now! Time for a little sleep!!!!
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10 May 2012, 06:18
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yup, donno if thats how it's implemented on toyota, but you could use it to replace both the starter motor and alternator(generator). thats one of the reasons engine coupled hybrids systems have lower weight
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10 May 2012, 07:29
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According to http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...ybrid-racecar/ the Peugeot 908 HY was designed like that.
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A 60kW gear-driven electric motor-generator which takes the place of the conventional starter motor
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When the TS030 was designed, the choice between front and rear hybrid was left open. To me that suggests that the electric motor and the combustion motor are not tightly coupled.
Also if the hybrid system is used as alternator and starter, a failure in the hybrid system has stronger implications (i.e., inability to charge the battery and to start the combustion engine).
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