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Old 18 Jul 2011, 08:24   #1
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Round 4: Mosport 22-24 July 2011

Unless I've missed it, no Mosport thread (?). Very sad that the current spectacle so comprehensively fails to whet the appetite!!!

I've cribbed the links from joeb's first post in his predictions thread...........

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Old 18 Jul 2011, 14:06   #2
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I for one am eagerly anticipating the GT race. Thanks for the links!
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I used to get so stoked for upcoming ALMS race but the whole coverage on the internet that barely works for me and the constant head in the sand mentality by ALMS leadership has really curbed my enthusiasm this year. I still look at the forums to see who wins and whats going on but apart from Sebring I haven't watched a single race. Talking with a few other people I know who dig sportscar racing makes me believe I'm not the only one who feels this way, I even toyed with the idea of going to see them at Laguna Seca this year but I don't know I might just spend the money going to see other race series instead.

Back on topic I hope the BOP that has happened reigns in the BMWs, and I hope the LMPC cars can avoid wreaking everyone unlike the last race.
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I used to get so stoked for upcoming ALMS race but the whole coverage on the internet that barely works for me and the constant head in the sand mentality by ALMS leadership has really curbed my enthusiasm this year. I still look at the forums to see who wins and whats going on but apart from Sebring I haven't watched a single race. Talking with a few other people I know who dig sportscar racing makes me believe I'm not the only one who feels this way, I even toyed with the idea of going to see them at Laguna Seca this year but I don't know I might just spend the money going to see other race series instead.

Back on topic I hope the BOP that has happened reigns in the BMWs, and I hope the LMPC cars can avoid wreaking everyone unlike the last race.
Yep, I dont get how people can get excited about ALMS LolaMP1 or club spec racing, but the GT battle is certainly excellent. Reminds me of a really good FIA or BPR GT race with a couple of prototypes and spec cars circling the track.
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Old 18 Jul 2011, 15:29   #5
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Yep, I dont get how people can get excited about ALMS LolaMP1 or club spec racing, but the GT battle is certainly excellent. Reminds me of a really good FIA or BPR GT race with a couple of prototypes and spec cars circling the track.
Lets see, last race at Lime Rock the LMP1 class went from 2 to 3 cars and will add another car for Mosport. So if that trend continues we could be pushing 9 ALMS protos by Petit!

Seriously though, Mosport is a great track and I love to watch multi-class racing there. At least for this round the LMPC's have been sped up a bit so maybe they can stay out of the way of the GTE race.
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I adore this circuit, but let's just hope GTCs won't cause as much hassle as last year!

Cytosport should be in much better form since it's a fast and flowing track and therefore really suits the Lola AM - unlike Long Beach and Lime Rock - but nevertheless you can hardly get excited about prototypes can you. That restrictor decrease may slow down the BMWs a little bit, but I'm still not sure whether the Vettes can fight for wins. Great place for that thou, first GT2 victory was scored here two years ago!
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While there has been much to dampen spirits around the ALMS this year, and while excitement and pride for the series don't compare to 2008, I still look forward to each ALMS race knowing it will be (sadly?) one of the best races on American (and Canadian) soil this year.

This week the addition of the Autocon car does provide some intrigue in LMP1, while I don't think they have the driver roster to compete even with the Oryx-Dyson car it will be interesting to see how close that car is on pace, and what its relative performance is like. As we know, John Field will be watching the 12 car as well, and he may bring his(/yet another) Lola back to LMP1 if he likes what he sees from the 12 car. A busier LMP1 grid is a weapon that can be used in board rooms from Hyundai and Audi to Gamma88 when trying to raise funds to compete in the ALMS, so the addition of the 12... and if it happens the addition of the 37 LMP1... is good news for the type of racing we love.

As far as the GT battle is concerned, you should be kicking yourself if you miss one of these races as the class is at an extremely high level of professionalism and competition and we don't know how many more seasons on this level we have upcoming. Putting politics aside, the Falken Tire Porsche, while having benefited from the 2x Corvette, BMW, ESM Ferrari, LMPC shamozzle at Lime Rock, appears to be closer to the pace of the leading GT cars than its ever been. With Derrick Walker on the pit stand the preparation and strategy of that team is in the same league as BMW, Corvette, Risi and the Lizards. Further, the 04 Ford GT seems to have the ability to hover around the top 6 in GT and could make itself a fly in somebody's ointment on any given weekend.

At the very least LMPC and GTC provide the overtaking we love, and while (Jarrett Boone is it?) some entries seem to be club racers way out of their depths in the ALMS (dangerously so, tarnishing the image of the ALMS and yet welcomed by management) there are professional drivers and teams that manage to put on good shows in both classes.

So yeah, we don't have Audi, Porsche or Acura like we did in 2008. And yes, management does seem to insulate itself from our complaints (many facets of reality,) and it is shocking what has happened to our beloved series; where once it was the darling of the racing world... but look at American racing, its all broken and the debt crisis and slow economic growth sure isn't helping. Of course, I'm just restating the obvious.

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I adore this circuit, but let's just hope GTCs won't cause as much hassle as last year!

Cytosport should be in much better form since it's a fast and flowing track and therefore really suits the Lola AM - unlike Long Beach and Lime Rock - but nevertheless you can hardly get excited about prototypes can you. That restrictor decrease may slow down the BMWs a little bit, but I'm still not sure whether the Vettes can fight for wins. Great place for that thou, first GT2 victory was scored here two years ago!
I forget, what did the GTC's do last year? I know the race ended because of a GTC off, but it was caused by Cocker in the Drayson car.

I think the Vettes will have a really good shot at this race, especially if the Bavarians are indeed set back by their restrictor decrease. I also wonder how much longer the Risi guys will be off the top step of the podium. We have seen in Europe how good the 458 can be, but they just haven't been able to pull it off here - yet.
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This week the addition of the Autocon car does provide some intrigue in LMP1, while I don't think they have the driver roster to compete even with the Oryx-Dyson car it will be interesting to see how close that car is on pace, and what its relative performance is like.
More interesting aspect will be to see how long the Lola AER can actually last before it'll eventually break down!
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More interesting aspect will be to see how long the Lola AER can actually last before it'll eventually break down!
To be fair, the Autocon Lola AER was on the podium last year at Mosport, although it was with Burgess and Mowlem, and I dont think McMurry is anywhere near as fast as those two.
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I also wonder how much longer the Risi guys will be off the top step of the podium. We have seen in Europe how good the 458 can be, but they just haven't been able to pull it off here - yet.
IMO Risi would've probably already won if they weren't starting dead last @ two of the previous rounds- just look how well they've emergenced from the back of the grid! Well okay the car is not quite reliable enough and they've made some stupid decisions (Vilander putting hot laps in quali instead of Melo, wtf) but I'm sure they'll back on the top step before the season ends.

Fair enough with the GTC, apart from Orbit's unfortunate race-ender there wasn't really anything to moan about (that I can think of)
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To be fair, the Autocon Lola AER was on the podium last year at Mosport, although it was with Burgess and Mowlem, and I dont think McMurry is anywhere near as fast as those two.
The old warhorse has shown flashes of speed every once in a while (more so with Intersport), but even you can't deny that they're far more likely to hit trouble than not with this notorious machine.
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To be fair, the Autocon Lola AER was on the podium last year at Mosport, although it was with Burgess and Mowlem, and I dont think McMurry is anywhere near as fast as those two.
Of course I have no data to back this up, but I think McMurry is decently fast. Not Mowlem fast, but at least Burgess quick. They should easily be the 3rd best pair in P1 at Mosport.
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I don't know what all the moaning about the P1s is all about. The prototype battles were probably better than the GT battles at Sebring and Lime Rock. Ok, there aren't very many of them (all Lolas of various kinds) and none of them are groundbreaking models, but the racing has been pretty close between the Cytosport Aston and the #16 Dyson. The #20 car is fast with Kane behind the wheel. I think Cytosport will have an edge on Dyson at a fast track like Mosport, but we'll see what happens. The Autocon car could be strong, but it is hard to say what will happen with it given that it has a revised engine design with isobutanol now.

Ok, the lack of interesting battles in GT this year probably has a lot to do with Risi's struggles and Corvette's crashes. The BMW has been reigned in, we'll see how that impacts their game.

I certainly did not have a problem with the GTC show last year at Mosport. The Miller car was quite fast until getting knocked off by Cocker (I think he got a penalty for that) and the Lawson Aschenbach/Shane Lewis car took the win. Lawson is money in a Porsche, I don't know why he does not have a GTE ride somewhere. He also has an engineering degree from one of the top US universities. I know he has a contract with GM, but they are letting him rot at the moment. At least put him back in the Cadillac WC car as he is a former champion of that series.
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More interesting aspect will be to see how long the Lola AER can actually last before it'll eventually break down!
Intersport always lost a lot of motors as they were always running them at the limit (although got a great finish at PLM last year when they turned it down). If I remember correctly, most of Autocon's woes were usually transmission related and not engine.
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