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22 Jul 2011, 07:33
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end of GTE/GT2 classs?
these are rummors but they are now seriosly bugging me.
with the rummord LMS split form ILMC and them using the gt3 class insted of GTE/GT2, and now rummored ALMS split form ACO to form a more open GT class the ACO GTE/GT2 class would be dead. Unless ILMC only racing satisfies GTE manufacturers the class is doomed...
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To launch a new FIA GT2 category based on strict technical rules, with limited wavers and ‘balance of performance' limited to success ballast. A category where GT manufacturers will prove through competition they can produce the best road going GT car.
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22 Jul 2011, 07:39
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Huh?
The LMS will split from the WEC, that is almost assured at this point. However, GT3 is not replacing GTE. GTE will still be there and will be joined by Porsche and Ferrari GTC cars. We'll see what happens next year, but many of the LMS (and ALMS for that matter) GTE-Pro teams did not join the ILMC. LMS GTE could still be strong next year, although those teams may need to do additional racing as the LMS calendar won't be very long.
I don't think GTE/GT2 is going away from the ALMS either. It may in time, but I don't think anything is on the verge of happening.
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22 Jul 2011, 09:08
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Patrick Peter made it pretty clear at Imola in a conversation we had with him that he was not considering GT3 but GTC (Porsche Cup and Ferrari Challenge) to join.
The GTE/GT2 cars could still be used in the GTE Pro and GTE Am categories and as well as in series like GT Open and various national championships. In fact there is interest from some teams to run GT2 Corvettes in the FIA GT World Championship - and other GT2 cars could be used there as well.
So far the prototypes seem to be the major problem for the regional series, not the world championship. The GT cars are no problem at all.
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22 Jul 2011, 12:17
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sorry, I must have misinterpreted some rumors...
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To launch a new FIA GT2 category based on strict technical rules, with limited wavers and ‘balance of performance' limited to success ballast. A category where GT manufacturers will prove through competition they can produce the best road going GT car.
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22 Jul 2011, 12:33
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I don't think the end of GTE is near (at least not in the short term) but we have probably seen the peak as far as diversity is concerned in the last few seasons... I don't think there will ever be a great number of Vettes out there and without them and the Bimmers it will probably be back to Porsche vs Ferrari with some hobby projects on the back end of the grid.
And another thing: The market for GTE-cars is certainly not getting any bigger... while Spanish and Italian GT still allow them, the numbers have really dwindled lately, so that really leaves LMS, ALMS and International GT-Open, if ALMS does indeed open up there formula GTE-sales to North America would probably also diminish. I am wondering how many cars Porsche or Michelotto have to sell to turn a profit...
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22 Jul 2011, 15:23
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Originally Posted by arakis
sorry, I must have misinterpreted some rumors...
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Which is why rumours are a cluster ****
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22 Jul 2011, 17:04
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Two GTE projects on the horizon are Mclaren and Lexus, these are potentially the most significant additions since Ferrari challenged Porsche, given they are customer focused.
Any given year there will be twenty plus GT cars at Le Mans, the GTE-Pro/Am set-up ensures a market for the latest kit and second hand cars.
GT3 does have diversity, but costs are rocketing with even recent additions like the R8 struggling.
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22 Jul 2011, 20:08
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Or as a manufacturer recently put it...
When the McLaren is 100% ready to go after testing by the factory all other cars will be rendered useless unless improved big time. Until the next GT3 car is raced, which will then make the McLaren out-of-date and more investments required.
And so GT3 will become very expensive soon...
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22 Jul 2011, 22:21
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to much hype is there around the Mclaren road car as well but it turned out to be a flop agains the 458, same will be true for the race car...
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22 Jul 2011, 23:50
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to much hype is there around the Mclaren road car as well but it turned out to be a flop agains the 458, same will be true for the race car...
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who? what? when? where? why? and how?
the Mclaren mp4-12c is faster than the ferrari stock(proably due to more hp).Who told you it flopped? here you go again lol.
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22 Jul 2011, 23:54
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Some people just aren't happy its faster than a Ferrari....it did get pole in the British GT race at Spa so its obviously a very quick car, no doubt it'll get hamstrung by BoP but atleast its fast atm.
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23 Jul 2011, 08:27
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Some people just aren't happy its faster than a Ferrari....it did get pole in the British GT race at Spa so its obviously a very quick car, no doubt it'll get hamstrung by BoP but atleast its fast atm.
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you are mixing up gt3 and GTE, GT3 is much more a driver based class then car based, also it alwoes a lot more room to the manufacturer
Audiracer, in 5/6 test by british mags the Ferrari was picked as being the better car, it was run in direct competition against the ferrari in all the tests and on 3/3 tracks the ferrari was faster, only on the top gear show the McLaren somehow mistiriusly found 3s over the ferrari. (fifth gear tested it on the same track and ferrari was 0.1s faster)
BTW, 90% of the technology McLaredn is based of is iligal in GTE racing..
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23 Jul 2011, 12:11
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Originally Posted by arakis
you are mixing up gt3 and GTE, GT3 is much more a driver based class then car based, also it alwoes a lot more room to the manufacturer
Audiracer, in 5/6 test by british mags the Ferrari was picked as being the better car, it was run in direct competition against the ferrari in all the tests and on 3/3 tracks the ferrari was faster, only on the top gear show the McLaren somehow mistiriusly found 3s over the ferrari. (fifth gear tested it on the same track and ferrari was 0.1s faster)
BTW, 90% of the technology McLaredn is based of is iligal in GTE racing..
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Don't forget McLaren is a pre-series car, is not yet the 100% definite car. It will receive a new exhaust, before the first car will be delivered. I think 458 and MP4-12C are quite on the same level, no great differences. But racing cars are just another story...
I like much more Ferrari than McLaren, but I would not underestimate this car.
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23 Jul 2011, 15:09
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to much hype is there around the Mclaren road car as well but it turned out to be a flop agains the 458, same will be true for the race car...
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That's a pretty sweeping statement! All your posts on this smack of some very sour grapes......
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23 Jul 2011, 15:45
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That's a pretty sweeping statement! All your posts on this smack of some very sour grapes......
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not at all, I just call em as I see them, read the reviews for your self if you dont belive me, BTW even Top Gear J.C. stated he would rather have the 458, a heavy statement from someone so heavily british biast as he is.
if you go to the Fifth gear website and watch bonus videos of Tiff and the other guy driving the McLaren you'll see what I mean.
as for the race car we will see, since it wount have any active aero, electronic break diff, or dual clutch transmisin, or even a turbo engine it reamains to be seen how it will do in GTE, although ACO could chose to let them run all of the above just for the *kicks of it. (even thoug everything stated above is iligal in GTE rulebook.)
*cash.
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