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chasing cars · 14 Dec 2011, 19:59

Agree its down to the powers that be in the erc to make it more tempting for a driver to do and I don't blame the drivers for looking for alternatives particually during the current economic climate. Still frustrating for us spectators though but then I guess BRC fans get a little frustrated when some of the best brits do europe rather than their home series.

As far as espn are concerned they like all comercial tv depend on advertising revenue which likewise depends on viewing figures. If those numbers drop the tv company has 2 choices either drop it or ask for the show to be "spiced up" ie: more wrecks & more carnage, false grudge matches etc etc. Its happened in NASCAR and of course in indycar and I wouldn't want rallycross to go down the same route.

USRallycross · 15 Dec 2011, 13:40

Big part of ESPN benefit is that are paying for production and providing free air time. That is not common in the US. ESPN were the first network to take NASCAR national outside of the headline races and invest heavily in what they believe......

Grudge matches are a reality already. GRC didn't create the animosity between Doran and Foust......but made great television, especially when we called what would happen into the first corner of the X Games final!

Mark

I Rosputnik · 15 Dec 2011, 23:47

I think it will be interesting to see how Doran and Foust work next year. It's an interesting contrast, Monster vs Rockstar, Old vs New, Citroen vs Ford, Europe vs America. If they do both series and fight for both titles to the end, then I'm interested to see where this goes.

Meanwhile here's an interesting interview with Kenneth Hansen and some of his thoughts on the USA.

chunder · 16 Dec 2011, 11:33

Why is Doran considered old and Foust new then!

I would say its the otehr way round to be honest! Tanner has been driving for years in drifts etc.

I dont really think their rivalry is that hard, I would suggest Foust made a few enemies early in the year with over aggressive driving and driving like his team boss usually does!

Doran similarly has I think been trying to hard and wondering why he couldnt get near the stuff he was doing in 2010, while the likes of Holte, Isachsen, Timurzyanov and Hunsbedt among others just drive a bit more consistently.

tbtstt · 16 Dec 2011, 14:13

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Originally Posted by chasing cars

Is it so great that Monster back Liam? With all the distractions that come with sponsorship there was little doubt Liams driving took a step backwards this year.

Did he take a step backwards, or did the rest of the competition take a step forwards? (I also wonder if the loss of his ERC car before the season even started put him on the back foot for 2011)

I personally do think its a good thing when one of the energy drink brands gets involved, as they inevitably bring a huge amount of promotion and marketing with them. Yeah the decked out grid girls and noisy stand may not be to everyones taste, but they are appealing to a wider (and younger) audience and the stream of constant media updates they provide via Facebook, You Tube etc. is sure to result in more interest in the sport, if not more spectators at races: and more spectators is a good thing, right?

I Rosputnik · 16 Dec 2011, 15:28

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Originally Posted by chunder

Why is Doran considered old and Foust new then!

I would say its the otehr way round to be honest! Tanner has been driving for years in drifts etc.

I dont really think their rivalry is that hard, I would suggest Foust made a few enemies early in the year with over aggressive driving and driving like his team boss usually does!

Doran similarly has I think been trying to hard and wondering why he couldnt get near the stuff he was doing in 2010, while the likes of Holte, Isachsen, Timurzyanov and Hunsbedt among others just drive a bit more consistently.

Sorry if I was vauge with that. I should of meant traditional rallycross (old) vs x-games rallycross (new).

chasing cars · 17 Dec 2011, 12:22

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

Did he take a step backwards, or did the rest of the competition take a step forwards? (I also wonder if the loss of his ERC car before the season even started put him on the back foot for 2011)

Probably all three but the Lydden roll was very much is own making, whatever he had far too many incidents and where in 2009 & 2010 he pleasantly surprised me with his consistancy this year at time he drove like the Liam of old.

The main issue I meant by the sponsorship is that he is at the mercy of Monster. Where before it was solely about the driving now he has to do all the media and promotional stuff etc and also race where they want him to not to mention the added pressure of bringing the success a sponsor expects, especially when up against someone sponsored by another brand of the same product. That is bound to be a distraction to anyone.

chunder · 17 Dec 2011, 13:41

For me I can see Liam maybe spending a lot more time in the US, if he is linked with Citroen still then they will like that, although I dont know if they have any presence in the US.

he is doing a lot of work in the USA at the moment, always out there, and I think if he can into a deal liek Foust then he might be onto a winner.

He is not as media friendly as Foust and up to speed with presenting, but he certainly needs to deliver with results in 2012 or I think they might look elsewhere

tbtstt · 18 Dec 2011, 10:40

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Originally Posted by chunder

He is not as media friendly as Foust and up to speed with presenting, but he certainly needs to deliver with results in 2012 or I think they might look elsewhere

Definately agree with you there, especially the first line. I thought it was quite interesting to see the Americans reaction to him after X-Games 17 next year. Intentional or not, I don't think he came across very well and I can't see the sponsors being keen on keeping him if thats the case.

Still, Deegan has always been a massive dick when interviewed and he still seems to get sponsorship, so maybe thats less of a factor as long as the results continue come in.

tbtstt · 2 Jan 2012, 14:32

Sorry for the double post guys, but another interesting snippet of news:

http://www.rallycrossworld.com/2012/...in-dodge-dart/

Is Dodge the "new" manufacturer that was touted a few months back? And will Pastrana make the jump from Subaru to Dodge? (Not that he was technically part of SRTUSA in 2011 anyway).

NaBUru38 · 2 Jan 2012, 21:24

That woud be amazing! Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge would be awesome. However, I'd love to see Abarth too, and I doubt Fiat will run two ralycross programmes.

QuarterRik · 7 Jan 2012, 00:32

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Originally Posted by rx-guru

And what sense makes a Global Rallycross Championship in the US?

Not a lot imo.

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Originally Posted by chasing cars

Reading erc24 seems like Isachsen is also keen to do this global thing next year. How many more are going to go this way? Concerned that we are all going to get toLydden for rnd 1 of the ERC next year and find a rather depleted entry in the top catagory.

I gues we will have some pour rallycrossyears in Europe if the top driver keep emmigrating.
In the US they now how to promote a sport,so it will be al about the $$$.

**FIRE** · 7 Jan 2012, 17:12

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Originally Posted by tbtstt

Sorry for the double post guys, but another interesting snippet of news:

http://www.rallycrossworld.com/2012/...in-dodge-dart/

Is Dodge the "new" manufacturer that was touted a few months back? And will Pastrana make the jump from Subaru to Dodge? (Not that he was technically part of SRTUSA in 2011 anyway).

Dodge Dart:
http://www.autoblog.nl/image-gallery...dge/Dart_2013/
http://www.autojunk.nl/2012/01/de-nieuwe-dodge-dart