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16 Apr 2012, 15:57
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You're missing one big fact though. Hamilton is scoring points, Massa has yet to score a single point this season.
As good or bad as the Ferrari is, you can't hide the fact the Alonso has won a race AND scored all the teams Constructor Championship points so far, finishing in the points in all three of the races so far. To have any chance of winning the Constructors Championship, you need both drivers to be finshing in the points on a regular basis.
So what if the car is built around Alonso? Surely it's up to Massa to adapt his driving style and work around the problems that he's plainly having?
And NO! Massa has not been the same since he came back from the accident, but being told to move over for your team mate (although Alonso WAS in the quicker car and probably would have passed him anyway) did not help the situation.
Ferrari cannot continue with a driver that has failed to score a championship point after three races and the longer it continues, the more pressure there is going to be on the team to replace him before seasons end.
I feel that if Massa non-scores in Bahrain then the team will have little choice but to consider his continuation for the remainder of the season.
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Asking someone to adapt a driving style they have had since they were a foetus is like asking a dog not to lick its own testicles.
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16 Apr 2012, 16:40
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Asking someone to adapt a driving style they have had since they were a foetus is like asking a dog not to lick its own testicles.
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True, but then again, the Ferrari is going to be buit around Alonso for the foreseeable future. Some will be better at adapting to certain styles than others (I remember Button being notoriously terrible in seasons when the car didn't suit him), but If Fillipe can't make the car work, he'd be better off looking for a car that can.
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16 Apr 2012, 21:45
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I feel that if Massa non-scores in Bahrain then the team will have little choice but to consider his continuation for the remainder of the season.
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So now we have someone who works for Ferrari... looks like Luca is talking.
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16 Apr 2012, 21:48
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Ferrari is ridiculous this season, they have so much to do rather than look for a replacement for Massa... but as Luca said above...
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16 Apr 2012, 22:05
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So now we have someone who works for Ferrari...
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I wish!
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22 Apr 2012, 14:19
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Massa moves to 16th in the championship.
He's back. Its on!
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23 Apr 2012, 14:06
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Massa moves to 16th in the championship.
He's back. Its on!
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Actually, his last two races have been pretty decent. He did well yesterday to score points in the Ferrari. It is just, that his teammate outscored him again, but then he has a habit of doing that! That is unfortunately a big problem for Massa.
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23 Apr 2012, 15:29
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That's the way it goes... until the end of season.
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24 Apr 2012, 18:24
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I think Massa's Mojo has taken a serious knock from just being the number two driver at Ferrari.
He really hasn't got much motivation to get on Alonso's tail and try and be better than him as the team will just ask him to move over, otherwise Alonso will spit his dummy and throw his toys out of the pram.
I do feel for Massa and I think that he needs to leave Ferrari just for the sake of his own self esteem...he's had a lot of the fight beaten out of him and he needs to get that edge back somehow.
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25 Apr 2012, 17:33
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sorrt but i can,t see any other team signing him unless he can bring a bucket full of sponsership money
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25 Apr 2012, 18:06
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that would sauber then which isnt an altogether bad place to be.
massa is also only getting one day for the upcoming test and alonso is getting two....in a classic case of reading too much into things it doesnt look too good for him at Ferrari.
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28 Apr 2012, 07:06
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It doesn't matter how good or bad Massa is at present because ultimately the driver alongside Alonso will be expected to do similar things to the drivers alongside Schu in his Ferrari pomp.
This is the team management style that they decided they needed to accommodate Alonso in the team and to get the best out of him.
If It was the same as in the Kimi time Massa would highly likely be 'seen' to be doing much better.
If Massa wants to stay in F1 he needs a new environment next year.
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28 Apr 2012, 16:54
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Get Massa into a Sauber - I'm sure he could do better with a less Alonso-specific car under him.
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So very true!
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1 May 2012, 03:52
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Webber to Ferrari 2013--wait for it-it is fact.
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