F1 tyres

[wnut]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I'm not sure that engineers are allowed to make dynamic adjustments to the car during a race.

The driver could do it quite easily.
Just another knob on the steering wheel.
The guys with good feel for a car would be able to tell the difference, and they could play with it as much as they like.
I assume they can still fiddle with the stiffness of roll bars, which would be a dynamic adjustment. Not to mention fuel maps, KERS, DRS, and a bunch of other stuff.

[F1Pete]

....makes me wonder what Monaco qualifying will be like.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Marbot

And doesn't the driver already have too many knobs and buttons on his steering wheel to deal with?

I'm sure most drivers would agree that they've too many knobs to deal with already

[Marbot]

Pirelli defends its tyres.

Paul Hembery:

"What do we want? One car to disappear into the distance? The public turned away from the sport when that happened, so there was a very clear decision made by the sport to address the racing."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99281

Have to agree really. Why have tyres that may only suit one particular car just by sheer fluke, when you can have tyres that challenge every team?

[davyboy]

I agree with him too... I honestly don't know what the fuss is all about. We [quite rightly] complained when Formula One was little more than a high speed procession, now as a result of Pirelli's work on the tyres, we have great racing... why aren't we all happy ?

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Technically no, but there is no reason to bring it up unless you don't think they would do it. I suppose your counter argument is that it is all about perception, which is my point about your post.

We have no guarantees the decision makers will never manipulate. In fact, as Hembery is quoted above, his statement does raise the question what would happen if one team would dominate on one particular tyre compound.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I agree with him too... I honestly don't know what the fuss is all about. We [quite rightly] complained when Formula One was little more than a high speed procession, now as a result of Pirelli's work on the tyres, we have great racing... why aren't we all happy ?

Some people are just never happy.

Originally Posted by Pingguest

We have no guarantees the decision makers will never manipulate. In fact, as Hembery is quoted above, his statement does raise the question what would happen if one team would dominate on one particular tyre compound.

Ferrari won a lot of races recently when they did just that. In fact both Michelin and Bridgestone provided tyres that suited maybe one or two teams, whilst all of the other teams got what was left over from testing that didn't meet the standard. Nothing like being 'shafted' before your car even turns a wheel (tyre)! That's what I call 'manipulation'.

What would happen would hopefully be what has happened. Provide tyres that could not possibly favour any team.

This is all so much better than the days when Jordan weren't even allowed to look at Ferrari's Bridgestone tyres, never mind use them!

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

We have no guarantees the decision makers will never manipulate. In fact, as Hembery is quoted above, his statement does raise the question what would happen if one team would dominate on one particular tyre compound.

Good point and as Marbot shows this rationale demonstrates that we are in a better state now.

[Marbot]

'raw eggs'

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99437

sour grapes?

[Thaw Daggerslash]

Michael, stop moaning or retire. It's as simple as that.

I really don't get why people have started to complain. What do fans want? Go back to the days of Borestones in 2010 that you could do a thousand laps on?

No thanks. Formula One is supposed to be difficult and challenging. I applaud Pirelli for what they've done and I sincerely hope they don't get cold feet and start bringing more boring tyres.

I like Michael, but his moaning is getting boring now. No doubt if he wins the next race they'll be the greatest tyres he has ever had!

[stripedcat]

Maybe Schumi wants to start a new culinary career?

I have to agree that I don't see what all the fuss is about. Perhaps there is a danger with too much of the racing being down to the tyres. However, the racing that we have now is a lot better than the processions and sprint racing that F1 had in the mid 1990s(especially with refuelling).

Fingers crossed for Spain. Spain is traditionally a difficult track to overtake on and maybe the tyres there can throw up some good chances for racing. I want a different winner again(hopefully Checo can make up for Malaysia).

[ECW Dan Selby]

My argument always is, is it any worse than relying on fuel?! We had overtaking in the pits instead of on track... That, is a travesty, not this tyre business!

Selby

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Marbot

'raw eggs'

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99437

sour grapes?

I understand why he's coming out with this. Racing drivers always want the best grip and the most consistent performance. From that perspective, the Pirelli tyres are inferior to the Bridgestones. However, they were designed to be like that in order to make it more difficult and challenging for the drivers and provide better racing for us. Michael and a number of others may not like it... but c'est la vie... he just needs to deal with it.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Marbot

'raw eggs'

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99437

sour grapes?

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

My argument always is, is it any worse than relying on fuel?! We had overtaking in the pits instead of on track... That, is a travesty, not this tyre business!

Selby

Originally Posted by davyboy

I understand why he's coming out with this. Racing drivers always want the best grip and the most consistent performance. From that perspective, the Pirelli tyres are inferior to the Bridgestones. However, they were designed to be like that in order to make it more difficult and challenging for the drivers and provide better racing for us. Michael and a number of others may not like it... but c'est la vie... he just needs to deal with it.

Looks like WE all have to deal with it also...

It's a game after all, they just add extras to the mix to make it more enjoyable... or not.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I understand why he's coming out with this. Racing drivers always want the best grip and the most consistent performance. From that perspective, the Pirelli tyres are inferior to the Bridgestones. However, they were designed to be like that in order to make it more difficult and challenging for the drivers and provide better racing for us. Michael and a number of others may not like it... but c'est la vie... he just needs to deal with it.

Yes I agree and I've been enjoying the difficulty the teams seem to be having understanding the tyres in qually and race scenarios on different surfaces and temperatures. It must be very challenging for the engineers and I have a feeling that it may be a few races yet before they get a handle on them in all conditions.

I also enjoy the different strategies these tyres seem to be encouraging, which has led to some great finishes.

I can understand why MS is frustrated though, to have clearly the fastest car one weekend and be pretty much nowhere the next isn't likely to please him is it? But it does make for great sport.