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View Poll Results: Whose fault in the incident between Anthony Davidson and Piergiuseppe Perazzini?
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Anthony Davidson's fault
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Piergiuseppe Perazzini's fault
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16 Jun 2012, 20:16
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Anthony Davidson vs. Piergiuseppe Perazzini
As the title states, whose fault was it in that particular incident?
In my opinion, it was Perazzini. I don't think many will say otherwise. However, this thread is the place to say it!
On another note, I sure hope Anthony is OK.
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16 Jun 2012, 22:42
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That gap was big enough to get 2 cars through! Perazzini's fault 100%
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16 Jun 2012, 23:11
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Perazzini was snoozing.
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16 Jun 2012, 23:51
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"Well that was a big one! Lying in a French hospital with a broken back wasn't what I had in mind at this stage in the race..."
That sounds bad but could be so much worse.
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17 Jun 2012, 01:05
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It wasn't Perazzini's fault, and this isn't really up for debate. He shouldn't have stayed to his left because he probably wasn't aware that Davidson was coming up on his right. It's easy to be an armchair enthusiast and make calls from the sofa without ever having run a lap, either in real life or even just in simulation, but when you're in the car everything changes. When you're doing upwards of 200 MPH (300+ KPH) and at the end of a fast straight and coming up on a double-right, the second of the two being a tight, slow one, you're eyes and mind are fixed on the next apex and not on your mirrors. You can't approach a hard right at these speeds and be looking behind you all the time.
I've watched the crash in slow motion repeatedly on my DVR, and at the exact moment that Perazzini started moving to his right, Davidson was not yet completely along side him. Yes, he was technically beside, but farther back, probably out of view from the cockpit windows. At that point he would have been focused on making the apex and not anticipating an LMP suddenly appearing to his right. He started moving towards the apex, during which transition Davidson then pulls farther forward and eventually the collision catches his back end (on account of Davidson being faster).
Should he have used his mirrors more? Sure, one could argue that. It's easy to argue that from the sofa. When you're the one in the cockpit for hours at a time, it's easier to miss a few opportunities for a glance at the mirrors here and there. It's entirely possible that he glanced back and saw Davidson farther back along the straight prior to the end and just didn't expect him to catch up with him at the moment that he did.
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17 Jun 2012, 01:56
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It's a nice thought, but too many drivers, "amateurs' and otherwise, DO realize that the LMP is coming, and don't turn in on the quicker car.
In just about any formula I can think of, if contact is made when the guy overtaking has a nose ahead, it's the fault of the guy being overtaken, period.
If you haven't got the spatial wherewithal to judge those closing rates, or if you're prone to panicking when a car "suddenly appears" near you, you're not fit to be a racing driver. I don't know any other way to put it.
I don't have to be a racing driver to realize there are certain competencies that are absolutely necessary to perform the tasks required behind the wheel. ("One need not be Caesar in order to understand Caesar.") The driver of the Ferrari, by his actions, demonstrated a distinct lack in these essential competencies, and showed he was NOT capable of maintaining an acceptable, minimum driving standard.
Last edited by Purist; 17 Jun 2012 at 02:05.
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17 Jun 2012, 07:19
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It's always the responsibility of the faster car/driver to overtake safely. Relieved that Ant isn't in any worse condition than he is.
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17 Jun 2012, 08:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davyboy
It's always the responsibility of the faster car/driver to overtake safely. Relieved that Ant isn't in any worse condition than he is.
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My question out of this and Mr Boullon's crash were wondering why their race seats didnt do more to keep their physical selves protected in the shunts. Broken vertebrae are a pretty mega outcome, but perhaps the sear pour, or compromises for multiple sized drivers, is the true fault here? 
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Excelsior...
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17 Jun 2012, 09:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRMagic
My question out of this and Mr Boullon's crash were wondering why their race seats didnt do more to keep their physical selves protected in the shunts. Broken vertebrae are a pretty mega outcome, but perhaps the sear pour, or compromises for multiple sized drivers, is the true fault here? |
It's a good point. Including Guillaume Moreau's accident earlier this month [arguably the one with the most worrying consequences], there have been three serious spinal injuries at this year's Le Mans and it certainly warrants an investigation to see if there's anything that can be learned from them.
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17 Jun 2012, 09:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davyboy
It's a good point. Including Guillaume Moreau's accident earlier this month [arguably the one with the most worrying consequences], there have been three serious spinal injuries at this year's Le Mans and it certainly warrants an investigation to see if there's anything that can be learned from them.
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And whatever happened to Timo Bernhard, another case of a car taking off
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17 Jun 2012, 16:24
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3 serious back accidents so far this year ..... one could say that the safety isnt up to much !!!
How bad is Davidson ? Hope he recovers quick . I know that his dad is on this forum sometimes ..... can only imagine the shock of seeing your son having an accident like this ..... hope your doing ok to Mr.d
Davidson .
I feel the GT car was at fault , as it seems the door was closed on Ant .
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17 Jun 2012, 16:29
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Certainly there was no doubt at all at the circuit where the 'blame' should lie. Having said that, there is more than an element of truth in Iceman's view. We've been here before - last year with Bob Kaufmann. Same goes for the Toyota/DW accident, again, no doubts there.....
I too want to wish AD a speedy recovery, though. (And GM and JCB, for that matter).
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17 Jun 2012, 16:43
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Originally Posted by The Badger
3 serious back accidents so far this year ..... one could say that the safety isnt up to much !!!
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I have the impression back injuries are getting more common in the last couple of seasons.
Recently Beitske Visser has broken her back while crashing in Formula ADAC (and took victory the next day! Lucky she didn't crash that day).
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17 Jun 2012, 16:49
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Originally Posted by IceMan_PJN
It wasn't Perazzini's fault, and this isn't really up for debate.
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On this forum it is up for debate. Sorry.
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17 Jun 2012, 19:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Purist
In just about any formula I can think of, if contact is made when the guy overtaking has a nose ahead, it's the fault of the guy being overtaken, period.
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This isn't formula racing though. It's all very well saying 'Davidson was ahead (at that split second) ergo Perazzini is at fault' but you aren't taking into account the closing speed of a car doing laptimes almots 40s quicker.
Racing incident if ever i saw one. Perazinni could have made room, but Davidson could very well have just waited 100 yards.
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