Rate the race: Rolex 24 at Daytona (TUSC)

[Matt]

Originally Posted by wdave0

Only if you consider a 500 mile oval "race" with a gwc finish endurance racing they wouldn't recognize the others.

How is an oval race not a race?

I'd love to hear your ignorance on this.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Matt

How is an oval race not a race?

I'd love to hear your ignorance on this.

Fake debris cautions in every event sort of take the "race" part out of it.

[Maelochs]

He might be referring to the amount of stage-management that goes into a NASCAR race.

Shoot, I don't watch NASCAR races anymore ... I watch the "final period" of NASCAR "races," the final 20-minute "period" of which includes (usually) three restarts, a couple of major strategy decisions, and then another couple restarts for the GWC.

Why watch all the rest when everything is going to be reworked thanks to heavy-handed officiating and (what I consider to be) silly rules?

[Scooter185]

well if you consider the Bathurst 1000km to be an enduro, Daytona is only 121 miles less. and the V8SC use co-drivers for that distance.

As far as the actual racing goes, i think the management of it is seen by the rules to create "THE PACK". Plus the "omg there's a hot dog wrapper on the track, near the infield grass, we need a yellow flag!" to reset the PACK and increase the chance of there being a wreck -which the casual audience who watches NASCAR wants to see. NASCAR isn't interested in the actual racing, but rather creating a good show for the people who don't care about the racing.

And that's why that caution at 23:30 is so damning to those of us who want to see sportscar racing and not sportscar entertainment.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by Matt

How is an oval race not a race?

I'd love to hear your ignorance on this.

The oval part is fine - it's the gwc or manufactured finish that makes it a "race", just like the Rolex.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Scooter185

well if you consider the Bathurst 1000km to be an enduro, Daytona is only 121 miles less. and the V8SC use co-drivers for that distance.

Charlotte in May is only 21 miles shorter.

[jasonjessica09]

Here is some good news. The 9 pm - 7 am portion of the Dayton 24 is on the TUSK youtube channel now.

[wdave0]

Just watched most of Bathurst 12hr live.
Amazing - from the farthest place from me on earth I just saw great racing from a great field with better streaming, camera work, announcing and marshalling than what was supposedly a more major event in my own country. If it wasn't such a miserable trip and so hot there I'd go in a flash!
Wow!

[wheelz22]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

He might be referring to the amount of stage-management that goes into a NASCAR race.

Shoot, I don't watch NASCAR races anymore ... I watch the "final period" of NASCAR "races," the final 20-minute "period" of which includes (usually) three restarts, a couple of major strategy decisions, and then another couple restarts for the GWC.

Why watch all the rest when everything is going to be reworked thanks to heavy-handed officiating and (what I consider to be) silly rules?

Yeah, it's the same concept as "you only need to watch the last two minutes of an NBA game"....

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by wdave0

Just watched most of Bathurst 12hr live.
Amazing - from the farthest place from me on earth I just saw great racing from a great field with better streaming, camera work, announcing and marshalling than what was supposedly a more major event in my own country. If it wasn't such a miserable trip and so hot there I'd go in a flash!
Wow!

I know man that was awesome, and quite depressing when comparing it to tusk but still an incredible race. Screw the trip I can handle the heat, I just wish I had the money to get there!lol

[TRspitfirefan]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

I know man that was awesome, and quite depressing when comparing it to tusk but still an incredible race. Screw the trip I can handle the heat, I just wish I had the money to get there!lol

Bathurst was great! Unfortunately it appears to use some sort of Lap down wave around similar to what is used in TUSC, which detracted from the race a little.

[Dodge_Swinger]

Originally Posted by Scooter185

well if you consider the Bathurst 1000km to be an enduro, Daytona is only 121 miles less. and the V8SC use co-drivers for that distance.

As far as the actual racing goes, i think the management of it is seen by the rules to create "THE PACK". Plus the "omg there's a hot dog wrapper on the track, near the infield grass, we need a yellow flag!" to reset the PACK and increase the chance of there being a wreck -which the casual audience who watches NASCAR wants to see. NASCAR isn't interested in the actual racing, but rather creating a good show for the people who don't care about the racing.

And that's why that caution at 23:30 is so damning to those of us who want to see sportscar racing and not sportscar entertainment.

Amen!

[Maelochs]

I am not clear on the lap-down-waveby rule used at Bathurst---it seemed to be a normal wave-0by of cars ahead of the safety car but behind the class leader---the waved-by cars were then allowed to pit.

I don't think it was a free lap for every car a lap or more down---but it was a free pit stop for any car ahead of the class leader when the safety car came out.

I am not positive on what the exact rule is; I have to suspend judgment until I get some facts. (Wait---did I just say that?)

Just kidding.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

I am not clear on the lap-down-waveby rule used at Bathurst---it seemed to be a normal wave-0by of cars ahead of the safety car but behind the class leader---the waved-by cars were then allowed to pit.

I don't think it was a free lap for every car a lap or more down---but it was a free pit stop for any car ahead of the class leader when the safety car came out.

I am not positive on what the exact rule is; I have to suspend judgment until I get some facts. (Wait---did I just say that?)

Just kidding.

What helped the #88 and #84 more than anything to get their laps back were the exit of the #1 from the race to the podium and the pro/am driver line-ups on the other contenders.

Had the #1 lasted they'd probably cruised to victory, putting a lap on the Macca before SVG could get back into it.

[Maelochs]

"What helped the #88 and #84 more than anything to get their laps back were the exit of the #1 from the race to the podium and the pro/am driver line-ups on the other contenders. Had the #1 lasted they'd probably cruised to victory, putting a lap on the Macca before SVG could get back into it."

Yup. You are entirely right---which is why that actually race the whole distance.

If the #63 hadn't hit a 'roo it would have been even stronger at the end. And as well as Greg Crick did, might a stronger driver have done more?

If the McLaren had one more really fast driver, SVG might have been a lot closer for his final stint---in fact, if VIP had shuffled the driver lineup and used different strategy, instead of burning out the car for two hours to take the lead--only to give it right back in the pits--SVG might have had more car to fight with at the end.

Or if the McLaren crew had swapped front pads like the HTP Merc did---

All that can be debated, but you run who you brung and however you run it.

[jasonjessica09]

Comparing Bathurst to Daytona? You can't do that Bathurst has too much of an unfair advantage. They have GT cars only without the DP or LMPC cars filling up space, no IMSA/NASCAR officiating, and Hindy at the mic.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Comparing Bathurst to Daytona? You can't do that Bathurst has too much of an unfair advantage. They have GT cars only without the DP or LMPC cars filling up space, no IMSA/NASCAR officiating, and Hindy at the mic.

And a better circuit...

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

And a better circuit...

Agreed on the circuit part. The more I think about that race the more it always comes back to the fact that Daytona is just not a sports car circuit. It is a track that favors high HP cars that are set up well over driving talent and quality chassis.