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19 May 2001, 02:41
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BAR third in the Constructors? - I don't think so
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The 2001 season is BAR driver, Jacques Villeneuve's third season with the team and he admitted that contract wise, the 2000 season has been his best ever, adding that not driving for one of the top teams has the added advantage of less media attention, which makes life easier.
So far in 2001, the BAR team is in sixth place in the constructors' championship, trailing third placed Williams by 9 points.
Despite this, Villeneuve insists that he would not be satisfied by anything less than third place in the constructors' championship.
He also confirmed his commitment to the team and their future when he said: "There's no doubt right now. I'm not planning on going anywhere else. I am concentrating on this project and I don't have leaving in my mind. It's not 'what will it take to make me stay', it's more 'would something make me leave...'"
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Does JV seriously think 3rd in the constructors is possible?
Does Honda have something we don't know about yet?
I cannot see BAR beating Jordan, let alone the Willams BMW. Should they reset their goals to trying to get in front of sauber maybe?
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19 May 2001, 09:44
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IMO they have the full potential to be well ahead of Jordan also this year (like last year) and to fight with Williams.
But they must overcome their internal big problems and stopping to push Panis more than Villeneuve. Panis is a very good driver, but Villeneuve is another class.
Have you noticed that, in spite of Villeneuve topping the last day of testing in Valencia, there is no comment from the team until now?
In all the other occasions comments were enthusiastic and immediate...
I wonder if it's due to the fact that Panis had a very bad three day testing, was always way behind Villeneuve and they can't write, as usual, "Panis flying in Valencia"....
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19 May 2001, 11:07
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Fourth would be a more realistic goal for BAR this season. I honestly can't see them beating Williams. I definitely think they will beat Jordan though.
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19 May 2001, 12:35
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Beating Williams wouldn't be impossible, because Williams' reliability isn't exactly marvellous, only having 3 point-scoring situations out of twelve. If BAR sorts it out, maybe they can win on reliability.
It's possible, but not very. Villeneuve probably feels a bit let down by Honda: "Look at that in-camera footage of the BMWs at the start!"
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19 May 2001, 18:03
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If BAR can consistently finish both their cars in the points, they may have a chance if Williams unreliability keeps up.
But, if that Williams gets reliable, I don't think they have a chance. Unless Honda can provide a power boost that would make them on par with BMW, but that is unlikely.
One thing that I always found strange, is that the Williams almost always appear off pace in testing. Once again, at Valencia they were well off pace, with BAR at the front followed by McLaren and Jordan.
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19 May 2001, 18:04
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Very unrealistic. Not because of the abilities of the driver but because of the car. The car's aero is way too conservative and not ideal. Front wing is not optimal and the rest suffers from that. Their nose is not shaped that well so all kinds of modifications are needed with vortex-generators and so on, to get the best out of it in the long wait for a new chassis. They used the same undertray loophole as Williams did, but didn't design their chassis and splitter around it as well so they where actually initating it's ban, because of that. Furthermore their cooling is designed for tropical circumstances, so gives only drag and disadvantages when ambient is normal or cool, which is the case in the majority of the sessions. They changed the exhausts position to periscopes becuase Honda was going crazy about the long tubing and that's also a change for the aeropackage which should be dealt with. So all in all the car isn't optimal by any means and the squad should produce something better next year if they want to make their statements come nearer than fifth or sixth. When they are lucky they stay in front of Sauber this year. Jordan (when they get of the line  ) and Williams (when they manage to finish ) are in a different league for now I guess.
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19 May 2001, 19:05
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Thanks, Dino. I didn't know there could be so much wrong with one car.  As always, we can always rely on you to explain this sort of stuff to us.
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19 May 2001, 19:18
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Well, Brunner had a lot of criticsm on the BAR in his season preview and about a week ago I just asked the 'nasty' questions to the right BAR-guy and he was honest enough to admit it.
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19 May 2001, 21:01
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He should be concentrating on beating Panis and staying out of trouble all together. 3rd place is definatly not going to happen and he should know that.
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19 May 2001, 21:03
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Where can I read Brunner's preview?
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19 May 2001, 21:46
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Dino,
What does Brunner have to do with BAR anyway ?
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Who's the right BAR-guy you talked to ?
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Where I can read this preview too ?
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20 May 2001, 00:50
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O YES WHERE
Where I can read this preview too
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20 May 2001, 01:21
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"What does Brunner have to do with BAR anyway?"
Nothing, he's just a brilliant designer, who's not caged by topteam-PR-obligations, so able to freely chat about the presented cars in a season preview.
"Who's the right BAR-guy you talked to?"
Well it's about aero-stuff, so their chief aerodynamicist would be the right guy.
"Where I can read this preview too?"
It was a season preview in a februari issue of the German magazin 'Auto Motor und Sport', which Quino brought under my attention. Brunner reviewed the new F1 cars for this season. Around that time I already named his most important points of criticism in a preview-thread by Peter Mallett so you could look that one up.
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20 May 2001, 02:01
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I reckon
1.FERRARI
2.WILLAMS
3.MC LAREN
4.BAR
5.JORDON
U HEARD IT HE FIRST (LOL LOL LOL )
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20 May 2001, 02:04
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Read that article too Dino... It is based on this that I believe that Honda will buy BAR next year and either ditch Reynard, or force them to clean up their act... The chassis has always been the weak spot at BAR, so get them a good chassis, and they've got the engine and the drivers to be serious contenders. Unfortunately, it will not be possible to get a new car out this season, so 4th will be as good as it will get this year. Next year... watch out!
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