16 Jun 2003, 17:07
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IRL shows no talent other than a select few
These drivers only go around in circles? Don't you think it shows more driving skill to do more than just make left had turns and go fast? I mean how can you people watch these cars go around in circles for 3 or 4 hours? IRL is a cheep rip off of Cart and Formula 1. Shame on Penske for moving to IRL! I mean he was one of the reasons IRL was created in the first place! Cause the other teams couldnt afford to keep up with his tecnology and check book, so they started IRL. I mean even those redneck over at NASCAR do a couple of road races!
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16 Jun 2003, 18:03
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Oval racing needs just as much concentration as any other kind. It takes a lot of skill to race side by side at over 200MPH. And that's exciting. You clearly don't agree, but thats your opinion. and we have ours. 
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16 Jun 2003, 18:18
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Re: IRL shows no talent other than a select few
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Originally posted by billaboy
I mean how can you people watch these cars go around in circles for 3 or 4 hours? I mean even those redneck over at NASCAR do a couple of road races!
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Thanks for taking the time from your busy schedule to come tell us and the NASCAR rednecks what you mean. Not only could we be enjoying a much more enlightened form of motorsport, but we'd get to hang out with a classier bunch of people too!
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17 Jun 2003, 14:34
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Billaboy's rant contains a few valid points.
Oval racing requires skill, I'm very convinced of that - 3 abreast quite often, over up to 500 miles with the wall inches away. However, as I've said before, oval ONLY is easier than CART's variety of racing styles, because different skills are required on their types of racing.
THe point that the IRL was started as an attempt to break the dominance of Penske seems valid - the initial IRL hype was of a cheap series for American drivers, and the original grid was quite weak, other than Scott Sharp, Tony Stewart and Kenny Brack. However, in reality I think the onyl aim was money for Tony George, something he's havign every success with.
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17 Jun 2003, 18:34
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Quote:
Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
Oval racing requires skill, I'm very convinced of that - 3 abreast quite often, over up to 500 miles with the wall inches away. However, as I've said before, oval ONLY is easier than CART's variety of racing styles, because different skills are required on their types of racing.
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Absolutely, oval racing obviously takes skill and concentration, but a mixed championship would be much better. I still wish there hadn't been the split in the first place, but then I'm sure I'm not the only one with that view! 
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17 Jun 2003, 19:55
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The two posts above make sense, but Billyboy's main point is contradictory, as well as inflamatory.
If there are very few talented drivers in IRL, why does it matter, since skill is not required anyway?
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17 Jun 2003, 20:22
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I'm a fan of both IRL and CART and I appreciate the skills of the drivers in each series....
Many former CART pilots are now "driving in circles" for a reason....the validity of the series and the opportunity to win at Indy the biggest racing spectacle on the planet...
Personally, I'd match many drivers in IRL with drivers in other series head-to-head and they would hold their own, if not succeed...
I defy anyone to point out to me why Sam Hornish Jr., as an example, wouldn't succeed in just about any form of racing he attempted....
I watch all types of motorsports, and he is a natural...
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17 Jun 2003, 20:31
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Sam wasn't exactly impressive when he ran on road/street courses in Atlantic back in 99.... He seemed to do better on the ovals. He had one win on at Milwaukee, but didn't really show up on the road/street circuits. I think he's an oval driver only.
I don't like any form of oval racing much, but I even watched a stock car race the other day and somewhat enjoyed it. It was Cascar, on a short-oval. It was interesting contrast to openwheel, as they almost never stopped bumping into each other here.
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17 Jun 2003, 20:32
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Must agree with that - Hornish does look like he has that special something. Now to get him onto a road course.....
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17 Jun 2003, 21:17
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Sam grew up racing carts...he knows how to turn right as well as left...
Give him some good equipment and a little time to acclimate himself and I'm sure he'd be fine...
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17 Jun 2003, 22:35
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I think he could do alright in Cart, but I'm not sure he'd be running at the front. He seems more like someone a team might hire as a #2 driver to run midfield. I'm just going by what I remember of him in Atlantic though...never seen him in the IRL. It'd be interesting to see what he could do in a Champ car, but I think the place he's headed is the $$$ of Nascar. He'll probably do well there.
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18 Jun 2003, 01:17
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Jay, it pains me to say this; but there aren't many CART teams at the moment who actually hire drivers.
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18 Jun 2003, 01:35
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Player's, PK Racing, Newmann Haas, Rocketsports, Rahal, Patrick, Herdez and ASTJ all hire drivers... There are more pay drivers this year, but they are not the majority.
I don't think he'll ever come to Cart though, and I could care less if he did or not, there are about 20 others I'd rather see. Besides, the only other place he's heading is Nascar for $$$.
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18 Jun 2003, 06:58
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In my opinion, out of the drivers recently hired into Cart, none is better that Sam Hornish
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18 Jun 2003, 07:32
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Who's paying the drivers salaries though, the teams or CART?
Oval racing takes just as much skill as road racing, Rick Mears was one of the oval masters.
It would be great if we still had a joint series, but the blame for the split is just as much CART's fault as it is Tony George's.
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