19 Sep 2003, 22:31
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Newman and Haas at it again?
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Rumor: Newman and Haas Feuding posted by don on 09-19 14:32
Rumor has it that Paul Newman and Carl Haas are in serious disagreement regarding the future plans of Newman/Haas Racing. The rumor going around is that Carl Haas is being offered big bucks from Toyota to go to the IRL full time in 2004.
Newman/Haas has already purchased an IRL machine, which is aimed for an Indy 500 entry, but with a possible effort funded by Toyota, pressure is being put on Haas.
However, Paul Newman has ZERO interest in going to the IRL, and if Haas would happen to go to the IRL, we are told Newman will start his own team, or buy into an existing team.
If Carl Haas wants to go to the IRL so badly, then I say let that S.O.B. go!!!
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20 Sep 2003, 00:56
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Assuming that Haas really does split from Paul Newman and run a full season in the IRL in 2004 I would think that it would be for personal reasons. He can't state that he is following the wishes of the sponsors like Mike did. Lilly, Pacificare, and McDonnalds all chose to sponsor the team since the split in 1996. They could have gone to the IRL but chose this series so I expect them to stay. With Newman-Haas having the season they are, I expect that to be even more true. So I have three thoughts as to why he might want to move over.
1) He doesn't like the dirrection that Champ Cars are moving. There are a lot of changes comming like street races and Motor rock. Maybe he likes the old days and doesn't like the new CART.
2) He doesn't like the new owners. I've never heard of any trouble between Haas and the members of OWRS, but we don't hear everything.
3) He has a desire to run at the Indy 500 and running a full season would make wining Indy easier than doing a one-off run at it.
This is just speculation on my part. I havent heard anything to back up anything I've said here. Just typing as I think.
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20 Sep 2003, 01:33
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Interesting that it says Newman will either start his own team or buy into another one. If he buys into an existing team, that is effectively two cars down the drain.....
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20 Sep 2003, 04:02
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I think Haas really only has the desire to race and win Indy. But the amount of cash Toyota would be offering would be the extra sweetner. But for Haas to leave for the money, after everything that's happened, will lump him into the same column as guys like Mikey and Ganassi...
It would be a shame for Newman/Haas to split, but IMO Newman will stay in CART and IMO Mario will join forces with him.
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20 Sep 2003, 04:25
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Newman Andretti Racing or Andretti Newman Racing. Either way sounds pretty sweet to me.
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20 Sep 2003, 04:32
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Would a race team like NH have any worth for Newman to extract, if they are going to a new series next year and most of the race hardware would be redundant??
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20 Sep 2003, 04:46
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It seems like Haas would leave and Paul Newman or maybee Mario would buy out Haas. Then the team and hardware would remain intact. Maybee some of the people would go with Haas, but it doesn't seem like much of the hardware would be of any use over there.
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20 Sep 2003, 09:08
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It would be a shame to see Newman-Haas split, but it's improtant that they both do what they want. Carl Haas has been loyal to CART so far, despite Toyota's big offer last year, so it can't be based purely on greed. Paul is much more committed to road/street racing, and will surely want to continue in CART,ideally with Bruno and Seb.
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20 Sep 2003, 09:44
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Boots is right, in that Haas has been very loyal to CART, regardless of Toyota's money. Thus the acronym that Dov used for him in the opening post took me by surprise.
N/H was the last of the existing teams to officially announce their involvement in CART last offseason. They were testing drivers in CART machinery, but kept everybody in limbo as to where they'd be racing. It's been my own speculation that these guys have been somewhat at-odds all season, and I suspect that this will be the last campaign for the team as we know it. Paul will be back next year, I'd bet my farm if I had one to bet. Carl, I'm not so sure.
Racer69... Even if Newman does join forces with an existing team, that's not going to mean "two cars down the drain", as he's going to be bringing at least one with him. I have no crystal ball, but if Haas should depart, Newman will take one of the cars and merge with another existing outfit, such as Gentilozzi, or else team up with Mario. (It's only natural and somewhat obvious that Mario's name should come to mind). At any rate, there's no way that two cars will be lost from the grid. And, should he actually start up a new operation with Mario, I'm sure that it would remain two cars.
This is all just unfounded speculation right now, anyway. Carl Haas has been really good to CART, and I like to think that this is all just moot.
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20 Sep 2003, 15:45
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Originally posted by macdaddy
Racer69... but if Haas should depart, Newman will take one of the cars and merge with another existing outfit, such as Gentilozzi, or else team up with Mario. (It's only natural and somewhat obvious that Mario's name should come to mind). At any rate, there's no way that two cars will be lost from the grid. And, should he actually start up a new operation with Mario, I'm sure that it would remain two cars.
This is all just unfounded speculation right now, anyway. Carl Haas has been really good to CART, and I like to think that this is all just moot.
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If Haas wants to twIRL then he should go with no hard feelings. He has been really good to and for CART. I would wish him well as long as he behaves with dignity and doesn't bad mouth CART on the way out.
As for Mario....I think this is the perfect opportunity for him. Wasn't he supposed to run a car this year as part of N/H? This may well be the impetous he needs to make up his mind to become an owner. It would be so sweet to have Newman/Andretti Racing, (NewAnd Racing? AndNew Racing? ManRetti Racing?) Gentelozzi/Andretti or Andretti/Gentelozzi doesn't have the same ring. 
It's really refreshing to come to this board and read messages *about* next year instead of people speculating *if* there will be a next year.
Cheers
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20 Sep 2003, 16:29
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Everything I have heard states Andretti will take Haas' spot in the team. Sounds good to me! Carl can take his cigar chewing, race car touching butt elsewhere.
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20 Sep 2003, 19:41
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It'd be rather confusing to have Andretti-Green in Another Series and Andretti-Newman in CART, wouldn't it? Maybe they'll change the name of the team to something else?
Anyway it may be all speculation. Haven't heard anything about it but what I read on rumour mills.
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20 Sep 2003, 22:32
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I don't know... we already have two PK Racings...and two American Spirit Racings....why not two "Andretti..." racings?
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20 Sep 2003, 22:33
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And they're all very confusing :confused:
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21 Sep 2003, 00:03
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I don't know how confusing it is Liz. For the enthusiast they know who is racing where. I think for the casual fan they just know the name Andretti and really have no clue which formula which one races in, nor do I think they really care. They just beleive if an Andretti name is associated with it they must be in the right place.
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