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14 May 2004, 22:25
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Skaife - his story............................
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15 May 2004, 00:14
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Sounds like Skaife is doing what Lowndes has been doing for the last 3 and a bit years, that is, driving at 11/10ths due to an underperforming car, particularly the engine.
What do all Craig's critics say now!!!!
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15 May 2004, 00:57
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All sounds like excuses to me. What did Mark use to say when the Ford teams were struggling? Something about not working hard enough; not professional enough etc.etc. Should take a leaf out of his own book.
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15 May 2004, 08:43
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This lack of performance seems to be persistent. I don't think he has a snowball's chance of winning this year. That said, go Murph and Brightie.
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15 May 2004, 10:00
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I know it's a symptom of modern day PR, but the excuse keeps changing. Skaifey and Toddler used the HMS engine at Bathurst last year and didn't seem to suffer a straight line speed problem. Skaifey qualified well at Pukekohe, another track with long straights.
The real problem is one of bringing all of the necessary pieces of the 'success puzzle' together at the one time. It's bloody difficult to do, and HRT have been masters at having all of the sh!t in order for many years.
The whole dynamic of HRT has changed and it is more of a management issues than one of car speed to solve it.
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15 May 2004, 10:26
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sol
I know it's a symptom of modern day PR, but the excuse keeps changing. Skaifey and Toddler used the HMS engine at Bathurst last year and didn't seem to suffer a straight line speed problem. Skaifey qualified well at Pukekohe, another track with long straights.
The real problem is one of bringing all of the necessary pieces of the 'success puzzle' together at the one time. It's bloody difficult to do, and HRT have been masters at having all of the sh!t in order for many years.
The whole dynamic of HRT has changed and it is more of a management issues than one of car speed to solve it.
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I'll agree with that. When did these "management issues" start??
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15 May 2004, 10:32
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I read that press realese about 2 months ago, so it not new news.
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15 May 2004, 11:34
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Quote:
Originally posted by Team888
All sounds like excuses to me. What did Mark use to say when the Ford teams were struggling? Something about not working hard enough; not professional enough etc.etc. Should take a leaf out of his own book.
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888 - Exactly right!!! 
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15 May 2004, 15:10
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Wow, let's kick them when they are down, good to see the true Aussie spirit lives on...
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15 May 2004, 15:16
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I tend to agree FatBoy, but also that the HRT situation is nowhere as dire as Lowndes' GMS/00/FPR experiences.
Its an interesting series of words... and if you take that particular viewpoint, then it is logical to conclude the words should be taken at face value.
Its not likely the common view however.
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15 May 2004, 18:44
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I agree with 888, Skaife (and HRT management at the time) were so adamant that when they were winning everything that the other teams needed to do a better job. Now it is them that needs to do a better job.
FPR on the other hand should either get their act together or get out of the business. As a factory team, a lot more is expected of them.
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15 May 2004, 22:56
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Quote:
Originally posted by pete55
I agree with 888, Skaife (and HRT management at the time) were so adamant that when they were winning everything that the other teams needed to do a better job. Now it is them that needs to do a better job.
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This is true Pete mate and even Skaife admits this in an interview here when Pukekohe was running. He said that they just haven't improved where others have...
I am sure that eventually HRT will get there act together, as will FPR. Just imagine 5 or 6 teams that are on a level plain and vying for the number one. I will give up on tipping when that day comes! 
Last edited by vipernz; 15 May 2004 at 22:57.
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16 May 2004, 05:32
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I wonder if Craig Kelly has a big broom
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16 May 2004, 11:40
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Two points:
1) Ford don't have a factory team
2) There is a "Lawn-Mans" 24 Hour Race in the Uk or Europe somewhere.....
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17 May 2004, 13:43
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I am certainly not trying to 'kick them while they are down'.
HRT have been the benchmark for V8 Supercar teams for many years. The job that John Crennan did building the HRT and HSV businesses is the stuff of management case studies. They have put thr right people in the right roles at the right times and managed the processes very well.
Virtually all other V8 Supercar teams aspire to be as good as HRT at what they do. Ultimately, V8 Supercar racing is a test of people and process management to achieve an outcome. It is only the level of competition in V8 Supercar that exposes the most minor of 'holes' the teams. They have to operate at such a high level consistently and that is not easy to do.
The reverse of HRT is the way the the performance of 888 has improved since John Briggs sold. The people, processes and resources invested in that business are leading to improved performances. On a whole, still not as good as HRT, but improving.
FPR are the other end of the spectrum - it's just not coming together depsite plenty of $$ and some very good people like Lowndes and Seton involved.
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