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Formula Atlantic Database
I thought that I would update people on how the project is going to provide a full database of Atlantic races worldwide, posted on oldracingcars.com
Hopefully this will lead to even more information coming my way, but my main comment is one of surprise at how quickly information has come in, and how much detail we've got. Allen already has a load of stuff that needs posting, and there should be more to come soon. I've managed to identify cars that early on I thought would remain mysteries forever, and build full databases for overseas races that were so obscure I wasn't sure they happened.
In the next few months I expect to finish
Canada: 1972; 1973; 1974
N.American series 1976; 1977; 1978
Australia 1981
S.Africa 1977
Britain 1973; 1974
British races are hard to complete without programmes, because race coverage and results usually stop at top 6. RAP; Dan Rear, Adam Ferrington and others have been an immense help here, but the following is a list of 1971 - 1975 where there are gaps. If anyone can help with copies of these, please get in touch
1971
Oulton Park, 21.3
Mallory Park, 28.3
Castle Combe, 12.4 Arco Trophy
Brands Hatch 30.5
Snetterton, 31.5
Snetterton, 27.6
Brands Hatch, 4.7
Castle Combe 24,7
Snetterton, 1.8
Mallory Park, 15.8
Oulton Park, 28.8
Castle Combe, 30.8
Brands Hatch, 12.9
Silverstone, 3.10
Castle Combe, 9.10
Snetterton, 10.10
Mallory Park, 24.10
1972
Brands Hatch, 5.3
Mallory Park, 26.3
Brands Hatch, 3.4
Mallory Park, 30.4
Snetterton, 7.5
Brands Hatch 28.5
Mallory Park, 29.5
Silverstone, 10.6
Brands Hatch 25.6
Snetterton 9.7
Brands Hatch, 30.7
Mallory Park, 27.8
Silverstone, 28.8
Brands Hatch 26.12 [run with F3]
1973
Brands Hatch, 18.3 [Yellow Pages R2]
Mallory Park, 6.5 [BP R5]
Brands Hatch, 28.5 [Yellow Pages, R4]
Thruxton, 29.5 [Non championship]
Mallory Park, 24.6 [BP R6]
Croft, 1.7 [BP R7]
Mallory Park, 21.7 [BP R9]
Silverstone, 28.7 [BP R10]
Brands Hatch 12.8 [BP R11]
Snetterton, 27.8 [BP R13]
Brands Hatch, 15.10 [BP 15]
Snetterton, 28.10 [BP R17]
1974
Silverstone, 31.3 [MCD R1]
Snetterton, 14.4 [John Player R4]
Silverstone, 12.5 [John Player R6]
Oulton Park, 27.5 [John Player R7]
Silverstone 30.6 [MCD R3]
Thruxton, 7.7 [MCD R4]
Brands Hatch 20.7 [John Player R9] British GP Programme
Silverstone 28.7 [MCD R5]
Mallory Park, 11.8 [MCD R6]
Phoenix Park, 7.9 [John Player R11]
Mondello Park, 15.9 [John Player R12]
Brands Hatch 29.9 [John Player R13]
Mallory Park, 13.10 [MCD R7]
Snetterton 27.10 [MCD R10]
Brands Hatch 3.11 [MCD R11]
Thruxton 16.11 [Non Championship, Wella Hair Care Trophy]
1975
Brands Hatch, 2.3 [Southern Organs R1]
Snetterton 29.3 [John Player R3]
Silverstone, 4.5 [John Player R6]
Brands Hatch 18.5 [Southern Organs R2]
Mallory Park, 15.6 [John Player R8]
Brands Hatch 13.7 [Southern Organs R3]
Silverstone, 3.8 [Southern Organs R4]
Snetterton 10.8 [Southern Organs R5]
Brands Hatch 14.9 [John Player R12]
Brands Hatch 21.9 [Southern Organs R6]
Oulton Park, 4.10 [Southern Organs R7]
Thruxton 12.10 [Southern Organs R8]
Thruxton 19.10 [Astor Club F.Atlantic race]
Chris
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4 Dec 2004, 17:43
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I presume Autosport and Motoring News have been consulted for those 71-75 British races?
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4 Dec 2004, 18:42
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To date most information has either been gathered from the racing press [Autosport/Motoring News for UK] and local newspapers [really useful in Canada and S.Africa, and the Vancouver Sun in particular is a gift for races at Westwood]. On top of this there've been useful feeds of memories, programmes and race organisers' information sheets from spectators and former competitors.
Chris
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4 Dec 2004, 20:25
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70's Canada and/or N.A. races
I might be able to help with some of these. What kind of info are you looking for?
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4 Dec 2004, 21:27
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Check your PM - I've given details!
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5 Dec 2004, 08:27
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Chris, Herewith Snetterton 27-10-74.
2 , Pinch [ Plant ] Ltd. Drv. John Nicholson , Pinch Lyncar 1600cc.
5 , Southern Organs Int. Racing Team [ Drv. Geoff Friswell ] March 73B , 1600cc.
8 , STP Racing Team [ Drv. Peter Wardle ] STP Surtees TS 15 ,1600cc.
4 , Ken Bailey Lola T360 1600cc.
10 , The Chequered Flag [ DRV. Ray Mallock ] Brabham BT40 , 1600cc.
13 Southern Organs Int. Racing Team [ Drv. David Morgan ] Chevron B27 , 1600cc.
14 , Custom Made/Harry Stiller Racing [ Drv. Alan Jones ] March 74B, 1600cc.
21 , Wella Int. Hair Cosmetics [ Drv. Ted Wenz ] Wella March 74B , 1600cc.
22 , Rapid Movements [ Drv. Matt Spitzley ] March 74B , 1600cc.
32 , Pinch [Plant] Ltd. [ Drv. Peter Williams ] Chevron B27, 1600cc.
36 , Team Modus [ Drv. Tony Brise ] Modus 1 , 1600cc.
51 , Team Castrol[ Drv. Andy Rouse ] March 73B,1600cc.
65 , Roy Baker , MRE FA 7H , 1600cc.
72 , Derek Cook , Chevron B27 , 1600cc.
71 , Mangels Racing [ Alex Ribeiro ] GRD A 75 , 1600cc.
44 , Graham Eden Racing , [ Drv. Tony Trimmer ] Brabham BT40 , 1600cc.
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Chris, found another programme.
Oulton Park, 4-10-1975 , Southern Organs .
1, John Nicholson , Modus M1 / Pinch Plant LtD. Orange
10, Ted Wenz , Wella - Lola / Wella International Hair Care. White.
14 , Val Musetti , March 74B/Bernigra Ice Cream , Red.
15 , Nick May , Lola T360B / Dave Price Racing , Black.
17 , Derak Cook , Chevron B29/ George Cooper Lubricants, Blue.
18 , Richard Morgan, Chevron B29/ Driver , no colour listed.
20, P.R. Sharp , Lyncar FA005 / Driver , Green/White.
[ This is presumably Phil Sharp from New Zealand.]
24, Alo Lawler , Chevron B29 / L&B Excavations , Green.
25 , Bob Muir, Birrana 273 / Bob and Marj Brown. , Green.
30, Mike Franey , Chevron B27 / Samatco Ltd. White /Black
40 , Brett Riley , Chevron B29 / Driver. White.
45 , Steve Carvill , Surtees TS15/ Peter Wardle , Blue.
57 , Rowland Remeeus , Chevron B27/ Ashtune Race Hire , Blue.
58, Tim Brise , Modus M3 / Team Modus , Orange / White.
Chris this I believe is the late season car that was different to the mid season car , and should be the one that went to Purley for Macau , and never heard of again.
59, Gunnar Nilsson , Chevron B29/Ted Moore Rapid Movements , Yellow.
63 , Richard Pierce , Chevron B29 / Driver , Red.
64 , David Winstanley , Brabham BT35 / Piccadilly Radio Racing with Roosters Club. Blue .
I swear the above is true and correct.
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5 Dec 2004, 11:19
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Many thanks. Re the Oulton race 4.10.75 I know that Sullivan used Tony Brise's regular car [what ever that meant at this stage of the season!] but DNS after stuffing it. I don't know if Tim Brise actually appeared at this race, but will be investigating further. Will try and find time to go through 75 Atlantic and F3 before Christmas to trace Modus histories.
I think the Modus that Purley took to Macau stayed there. At Batu Tiga, 24.4.77, there's a guy called Abadilla with a Modus.
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5 Dec 2004, 12:30
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Guess what I've been doing! Chastened by Chris's comments, I've dug the 1974 UK results out of my ever-growing pile of things to do and it turns out it's virtually ready to post. I had just needed the date and circuit of Round 5, the event between Snetterton on 14 Apr and Silverstone on 12 May and I've just dug that out of Autocourse. In doing that, I noticed that I'd almost omitted the Phoenix Park and Mondello Park heats so I'll just go and recover those from Chris's spreadsheet.
Then onto NZ 79, 80 and 84 and Aus 81.
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OK, that's the 1974 UK season posted. Twice actually, as Chris sent a new spreadsheet just as I was posting the results from the first one!
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5 Dec 2004, 20:18
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I should add that this is just the John Player Championship for 1974,
going up at the moment.
I'm still working on the MCD one which may take rather longer.
Chris
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Formula Atlantic Races
Chris T: from your wants list I have the following programmes in my collection:
12/05/74 Silverstone
20/07/74 Silverstone
29/09/74 Brands Hatch
04/10/75 Oulton Park
What would you like? Photocopies of the relevant pages or will it do if I just type them into an e-mail?
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Photocopies or scans are better than pasting in material [unless you are in Australia like Bryan - lucky b*****d].
Oulton 4.10.75 was one that he just sent by e mail, so unless your copy has annotations [and there were extra runners in that race, not in the programme] you probably don't need to send that one.
The others, however, are a great contribution to knowledge!
Check your Private Messages, I've sent you my address.
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27 Dec 2004, 02:39
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Was it you I sent the two Canadian results sheets (1976 Mosport, 1977 Trois Riviere)?
If not I can!
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I can provide the following Brands Progs (all have lap charts)
30 May 71
5 March 72
3 April 72
27 May 73
2 March 75
18 May 75
PM your address and I will copy to you
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