Who run the v8 supetaxi's

[TSR]

Who runs the v8 supertaix's series, the reason I ask this after reading a story on the v8 web site the Holden and it's teams PWR & KRT are playing the numbers game by swapping numbers so Greg Murphy(I don't say that name much) so he can keep his #51.

Now I know the red army are going to say whay about BJR & 888 doing the same last year, true they did but 888 is the name of a team so it was agreed on.

Just because you run with a number for a couple of years does that mean you can keep it for good. So that means that Marcus Ambrose keep #4 while he has #1 on his car and Russel keep #9 and so on .

To me it just looks like Holden are running the whole show and are a rule to themselves. IMO.

[peckstar]

effectively you (as a franchise ) hold the number indefinatly But you can also choose a new number at the start of the year, and swap once per year with avesco's consent.

Number one always goes to the championship winning driver and he gets to hold his previous number until he is no longer champion.

i dont think this is a big deal, they are only numbers, if someone wants to swap, why not.

rule E3 covers competition numbers

[TSR]

Thank you peckstar for that as I dont have a rule book, and I did know the rule about the # 1 going to the title holder.

[peckstar]

v8 supercar web site

its under the technical section

[Senna05]

Therefore, the stones have rights to 17 and 18???

Therefore, HRT should have 15 and 16?

TSR, I'm not really having a rub, but I personally don't think it's a major issue. Unless Murph was trying to resurrect 05 or something, it's just a swap. And makes mroe sense, 50 and 51, and also 15 and 16 in the correct orders.

[cavvy]

With numbers not as well displayed on the current cars (not my getting older or my glasses), I think drivers keeping the same numbers when changing teams is fine, but would not support Garth taking #34 with him from GRM - horses for courses, even a non event.

[Just Do It!]

Nigel Mansell did it effectively in Formula One for years. They even let him run a red 5 instead of a white 5. Drivers should be allowed numbers. I always used to race under 4 in karts. If it had to be, we would run 4 and 04 in the same class.

A driver's number is part of brand profile in these modern times. People either accept that or.....well, there isn't really an option. I bet CPR hold on to 8 and 11, even though WPS have bought the franchise.

[racer69]

Mansell only got to use 'Red 5' in CART because Walker racing agreed to swap it with the number Mansell was meant to use (#2, because Michael Andretti had come second in the 1992 series)

At the end of the day most drivers seem to just accept whatever number the team is using. Is the number change at PWR and Kmart really just about Murphy, or did they just think it was a convenient time to sort it all out?

The drivers in Australian racing synonomis with certain numbers generally only still have them because it's their own team (Johnson and Perkins), and isn't #05 the only number reserved for one driver?

Our numbering system is a nice blend of the European and American systems. If you don't win the series then you keep the same numbers year after year generally (American Style), and if you win something you get the number 1 if you choose to do so (European style).

[Mark Webber]

I like the F1 number system much more it gives the teams /drivers a real pecking order
and for the non motorsport public it is eazier to see who is who and there place

[GTRMagic]

With an eye firmly on the commercial... a race number has come to mean something in NASCARland, with die cast models, and even movies named and painted after famous racing drivers.....

Money cures all ills apparently...

[B!tchie Renault]

I do not have a problem with the teams changing numbers, but I do have an issue with the tyre stocks which are appointed to a car number.

I know it will not be the case, but if the tyres were firmly linked to the car number, the following would apply:

Greg Murphy #51 retains his tyre bank shifting from Kmart to PWR
Paul Weel #50 gets to use Jason Bright tyre bank
Rick Kelly #15 maintains his tyre bank
Garth Tander #16 get Paul Weel's tyre bank from PWR to Kmart.

Stupis isn't it!!!

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by racer69

Mansell only got to use 'Red 5' in CART because Walker racing agreed to swap it with the number Mansell was meant to use (#2, because Michael Andretti had come second in the 1992 series)

If memory serves, #5 was a Rahal number at the time, not Walker, and that Rahal in the end charged Carl Haas a silly some of money for it. Silly in that Mansell demanded it and Haas agreed to pay for it, but thats my editorialising :P

But I stand to be corrected as normal

[eduardo1]

Part of the agreement for the swap was for synergy.
Kmart & PWR swap 51 & 16.
PWR get to run 50 & 61
Kmart 15 & 16
That way they appear together in an entry list. Same as 17 & 18 for DJR, 33 & 34 for Rogers etc.

However I'm not sure that swapping numbers necessarily changes tyre supplies because there are no license swaps. The license remains the same, simply has a different number. The tyres are assigned to a license, regardless of what number that license carries. I don't believe Triple 8 & OzEmail swapped tyres along with numbers at the beginning of this year. The only time that it affects tyres is when a team swaps numbers internally - such as when GRM swapped Garth & Bargs' numbers so Garth would get access to Bargs' better tyre stock.

[GTRMagic]

It doesnt affect tyres unless the franchise licence slot moves....

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

If memory serves, #5 was a Rahal number at the time, not Walker, and that Rahal in the end charged Carl Haas a silly some of money for it. Silly in that Mansell demanded it and Haas agreed to pay for it, but thats my editorialising :P

But I stand to be corrected as normal

At the time in CART, from memory the numbering system for the following year was based on the Top 12 positions (team wise, if you changed teams you got the number of where their previous driver wound up the year before) from the previous season.

In 1992 Bobby Rahal won the championship wearing #12, from Michael Andretti in second place in the standings (car #1). Scott Goodyear wound up 5th in the 1992 standings, giving the Walker Racing team rights to that number for 1993. With Mansell coming over the replace Michael Andretti, he should have been using the #2 which Newman-Haas were entitled to from Andretti's finishing position the previous season.

Seemigly Mansell wanted to run hus famous 'Red 5' (though it would be interesting to know just how many American fans would have known the history of it), a deal was worked out with Walker to swap numbers, allowing Goodyear to race with #2 in 1993, which he did. As you indicate a silly sum of money changed over


1992 Final Championship Points can be found here:
http://www.motorsportsalmanac.com/ch...=driver&y=1992